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Is it not possible to blocking the spam....
leopard122
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 09:27 PM UTC
Is it not possible to blocking or do something so we dont need to see all this spam some idiot is posting all the time...
Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 09:41 PM UTC
Not when they are creating accounts with different details. Sorry
brekinapez
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 11:34 PM UTC
Does the forum software not allow the use of Capchas to verify a living being is attempting to register rather than a bot?
Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 11:41 PM UTC
yes the site does and it is not doing a good job with this lot.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, January 15, 2018 - 11:41 PM UTC
Since I do not know how the Forums are built I can only suggest some general ideas.
1. Enforce a short waiting time for new accounts, clock starts when registration (and validation of email, if there is a validation step, don't remember) has been completed. Say between 12 and 24 hours. This will not stop anything but it will make it just a little more tedious for the spammers.
2. Trying to prevent the same e-mail address from creating a new account is useless since it is just as easy to set up new e-mail accounts.
3. Tedious and work generating for the admins: The first ten posts by a new account are moderated. New spammer account needs to post ten valid posts before they are let loose in the forums. Some overloaded admin needs to read an OK these posts. It could be possible to autogenerate seemingly authentic posts but it creates more hassle for the spammers and might just possible remove the profit from their "business".
Problems with the above:
1. So what? Set up the account today and start spamming like crazy tomorrow.
2. Already disqualified, see above.
3. Creates a lot of work so maybe it is easier to spend less time on killing the accounts.
With sufficient admins spread over the worlds timezones the spam can be killed reasonably fast.
/ Robin
1. Enforce a short waiting time for new accounts, clock starts when registration (and validation of email, if there is a validation step, don't remember) has been completed. Say between 12 and 24 hours. This will not stop anything but it will make it just a little more tedious for the spammers.
2. Trying to prevent the same e-mail address from creating a new account is useless since it is just as easy to set up new e-mail accounts.
3. Tedious and work generating for the admins: The first ten posts by a new account are moderated. New spammer account needs to post ten valid posts before they are let loose in the forums. Some overloaded admin needs to read an OK these posts. It could be possible to autogenerate seemingly authentic posts but it creates more hassle for the spammers and might just possible remove the profit from their "business".
Problems with the above:
1. So what? Set up the account today and start spamming like crazy tomorrow.
2. Already disqualified, see above.
3. Creates a lot of work so maybe it is easier to spend less time on killing the accounts.
With sufficient admins spread over the worlds timezones the spam can be killed reasonably fast.
/ Robin
leopard122
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 12:01 AM UTC
Exactly Robin, that would be a very good solution to have it like that.. It should take away a lot of the spam..
Biggles2
Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 04:57 AM UTC
Spam...Monty Python had no idea...
KurtLaughlin
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 07:35 AM UTC
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Is it not possible to blocking or do something so we dont need to see all this spam some idiot is posting all the time...
All the time? I think I saw obvious spam twice over two days. That tells me whatever prevention/remedy scheme that is in place now seems to be working.
What is the true magnitude of the problem here? It might be worth considering what a proportional response to the problem would be before launching the ICBMs.
KL
GaryKato
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 08:13 AM UTC
The spam wasn't that bad this time Because there was a staffer online and users who reported the spam right away. There have been times in the past when there hasn't been a staffer online and the number of spam posts grew to a large number.
What you can do depends on whether the spammer is a real human or an automated script.
By the way, Capcha don't work that well anymore due to the use of neural network software to figure out the text; a by-product of OCR technology.
One thing you could do with this spammer is to key on his message pattern. It is of the form of famous company name and a phone number. What you do is QUIETLY mark as spam and send the post to a special area. The alleged spam would be checked by a staffer later and let through or not. This way the spammer thinks he is succeeding. If you are succeeding, there is no reason to create new accounts. The jig is up though if he checks if it posted, but that's extra time away from posting spam.
What you can do depends on whether the spammer is a real human or an automated script.
By the way, Capcha don't work that well anymore due to the use of neural network software to figure out the text; a by-product of OCR technology.
One thing you could do with this spammer is to key on his message pattern. It is of the form of famous company name and a phone number. What you do is QUIETLY mark as spam and send the post to a special area. The alleged spam would be checked by a staffer later and let through or not. This way the spammer thinks he is succeeding. If you are succeeding, there is no reason to create new accounts. The jig is up though if he checks if it posted, but that's extra time away from posting spam.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 11:15 AM UTC
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The spam wasn't that bad this time Because there was a staffer online and users who reported the spam right away. There have been times in the past when there hasn't been a staffer online and the number of spam posts grew to a large number.
OK, how many posts are we talking about? How frequently has this happened? In my recollection the last bunch before this weekend was a number of months ago, maybe a year.
KL
brekinapez
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 12:11 PM UTC
No, there has been a couple of runs on the board within the last few months; certainly less than a year. Perhaps you didn't notice because they were cleaned up by the time you dropped in, but I do remember coming in like on this last barrage to find myself having to scroll a couple of pages to get to real posts instead of all the help line crap. Seems like the previous one was a bunch of numbers for help with just about every printer model ever manufactured in the last decade.
Scarred
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 01:48 PM UTC
Just look thru the Report Spammers forum and you can see how often and recent there was a spamming.
Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 05:10 PM UTC
We had a particularly large number of spam posts of the same product from several different accounts over Monday night into Tuesday afternoon. Kevin and I managed to deal with most of the items very quickly, but some did get to stay up for a couple of hours.
Steps have been taken to reduce the incidents of this nature occurring and we have created some super admins among the membership who expressed an interest in taking on the role. We will not be advertising who these members are but once trained should be able to keep these issues to a minimum.
Steps have been taken to reduce the incidents of this nature occurring and we have created some super admins among the membership who expressed an interest in taking on the role. We will not be advertising who these members are but once trained should be able to keep these issues to a minimum.
Tank1812
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 05:43 PM UTC
Please deal with the issue as you see fit but I thought it had been handled well to this point. Spammers are an issue for almost all forums that allow interaction, it a big game of whack a mole. The latest was small a inconvenience. Keep up the good work.