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Panzer/Stug IV tracks?
Vierville
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 03:06 AM UTC
Hi guys.

I've been trying to figure out which type of track would be most appropriate for a Pz.kpfw.IV ausf H (late) and a Stug IV (early) during the Normandy campaign (June-August 1944)?

I'm not talking about Ostketten or Winterketten but rather the hollow vs solid guide horn tracks?

Also, of the solid guidehorn and hollow guidehorn tracks, which type was 'early' and which 'late'?

Thanks!
Wierdy
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 03:26 AM UTC
Look at Modelkasten track types chart:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/637977/thread/1432055224/last-1432131000/view+all+messages
Vierville
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 12:37 PM UTC
Thank you, that is very helpful!

Is there perhaps a link to this time line chart? I can't seen to open the image and would love to look at it properly.

I've googled it but got absolutely no results for a chart like the above...
Wierdy
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 02:20 PM UTC
http://www.geocities.jp/sue_88mm/models/TrumpeKT_03/530.jpg
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 07:03 PM UTC
Here's a PzKpfw IV Ausf H during manoeuvres in Normandy (1944). I've read that during repairs parts like idler wheels could be mixed together without regard to date of manufacture or official type.



Looks like the guide horns are hollow...

Same here (Elbeuf, Normandy 1944):



This one belonged to the 12th SS-Hitlerjugen-Panzerdivision.

A few more examples :




H.P.
edgardo
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Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - 09:06 PM UTC
Try this:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/features/7360
Removed by original poster on 01/17/18 - 16:26:54 (GMT).
ayovtshev
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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 12:21 AM UTC
The caption of this pictures says this Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.H is taking part in the summer battles in Northern France:

The tracks have solid horn.
Source is Waffen Arsenal #162 "Laufwerke u. Ketten Deutscher Kampfpanzer 1939-1945"
Vierville
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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 12:44 AM UTC
Thanks guys! I really appreciate all the help.

From the above, I'm guessing that both solid and hollow guide horn tracks were used in Normandy and I'd have to get a photo of the individual vehicle i intend to build to know which type of track is appropriate.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - 11:38 PM UTC

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Hi guys.

I've been trying to figure out which type of track would be most appropriate for a Pz.kpfw.IV ausf H (late) and a Stug IV (early) during the Normandy campaign (June-August 1944)?

I'm not talking about Ostketten or Winterketten but rather the hollow vs solid guide horn tracks?

Also, of the solid guidehorn and hollow guidehorn tracks, which type was 'early' and which 'late'?

Thanks!


The tracks with the solid teeth had been available for over a year, and German tracks were unlubricated, with a very short road life. However, early tracks continued to turn up into 1944. In some cases, a tank might have been delivered with the late track, and then received a replacement set of early tracks from old inventory, so there are no set rules. Sometimes a tank will have solid teeth on the running gear, and hollow teeth on the spare track rack. Just refer to the photo of a particular vehicle, and go from there.
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Posted: Thursday, January 18, 2018 - 12:09 AM UTC
Sometimes they were even ,mixed as a result of replacing from stocks of different types






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