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HB M911 Tractor new pic and price
tanknick22
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Posted: Saturday, January 20, 2018 - 04:54 PM UTC

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I was planning on buying the Meng kit, I'll wait and see how they both look now.

Here is the Meng kit unboxed:
http://www.moxing.net/2018/0121/8636.html



so when will the M911 be out?
Wierdy
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Posted: Saturday, January 20, 2018 - 05:43 PM UTC
It is already available in China at 86 USD and is supposed to be on sale from Hobbyeasy since January 25-th.
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Posted: Sunday, January 21, 2018 - 02:15 AM UTC

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I was planning on buying the Meng kit, I'll wait and see how they both look now.

Here is the Meng kit unboxed:
http://www.moxing.net/2018/0121/8636.html


what can be sure is those rubber tire needs to be replaced with no doute...what caught my eye is......what are those plastic chains? I don't think meng doesn't have such money to give us metal chain but this?....Big No...
aleluya
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 02:26 AM UTC
Hobbyboss official said on their FB which M911 will be released right after Chinese New Year. Well at least I’m not so hurry to have the kit on my desk now. Worth if the waiting
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 03:07 AM UTC
Does the HB kit have an engine the Meng one does npt
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 04:59 AM UTC

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Does the HB kit have an engine the Meng one does npt


Their posted sprue shots don't seem to show any engine parts. Price is listed about the same at 115 Euros as well.

Sprue shots on Facebook

None on their exploded diagram either. It only shows the oil pan and bottom of the engine as a flat piece.

Mrclark7
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 05:59 AM UTC

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I thought the load limit on the M911 w/ M747 trailer was 60-tons? If so, I don't think an M1A1 could be safely transported...






H.P.


well, one could say the first pic, its not actually on the trailer, and the second pic shows it after shedding quite a few pounds. lol
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 06:17 PM UTC

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well, one could say the first pic, its not actually on the trailer, and the second pic shows it after shedding quite a few pounds. lol


So....What about this one ?



H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 06:25 PM UTC
M911 w/M747 was certainly used to transport M1A1. There are some photos of this combination in Tankograd book about US Army tank transporters. Yes, it exceeded the limits of this vehicle/trailer and it caused a lot of failures, but it was certainly used before the "Super HET" M1070/M1000 combination was introduced to service.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 06:27 PM UTC

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M911 w/M747 was certainly used to transport M1A1. There are some photos in Tankograd book about US Army tank transporters. Yes, it exceeded the limits of this vehicle/trailer and it caused a lot of failures, but it was certainly used before the "Super HET" M1070/M1000 combination was introduced to service.


Posted by me previously in this thread:

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"With the introduction of M1A1 Abrams main battle tank into service with the US Army, the M911 was unable to carry the load. Vehicles demonstrated poor durability with loads in excess of 60 t during operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Its replacement emerged as the Oshkosh M1070."
http://www.military-today.com/trucks/m911.htm
max load according to Janes is 54545 kg and there should be a safety margin in there somewhere. It was designed for the MBT-70 and fails (after a while) when carrying the M1.
/ Robin"

Quoting myself, how sad is that ....
/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 06:31 PM UTC

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Quoting myself, how sad is that ....

Well... I don't know why you did that, considering that I just confirmed what you wrote earlier, but whatever...
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 06:44 PM UTC

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Quoting myself, how sad is that ....

Well... I don't know why you did that, considering that I just confirmed what you wrote earlier, but whatever...


If we post this information often enough we could have a chance of finally answering the question
My first post was on the first page in this thread and the question popped up again on the second page.
Maybe it will turn up again on the third page (if there ever will be one) when someone asks if it is OK to load a Desert Shield / Desert Storm Abrams on the C-HET ....
/ Robin



And in case anyone wonders why the M1070 was NOT used during Desert Shield or Desert Storm the answer can be found here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshkosh_M1070

Gino already said this before in this thread but I repeat it here. After all, repetitions is one of the fundamental parts of learning ....
Text from the Wikipedia article linked above.
"To meet a U.S. Army requirement for the transport of the M1 Abrams main battle tank (MBT) Oshkosh Truck Corporation (now Oshkosh Defense) proposed the M1070. A contract for 1044 M1070 was placed, with production commencing in July 1992. The contract included an option for 522 additional units.[4]

The final U.S. Army contract for the original A0 version called for 195 vehicles. These were delivered between March 2001 and March 2003. U.S. Army deliveries of A0 versions totalled 2,488.[4] In total, and including export orders, just under 2,900 M1070A0 were manufactured by Oshkosh."
armouredcharmer
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Posted: Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 02:00 AM UTC

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Does the HB kit have an engine the Meng one does npt


Their posted sprue shots don't seem to show any engine parts. Price is listed about the same at 115 Euros as well.

Sprue shots on Facebook

None on their exploded diagram either. It only shows the oil pan and bottom of the engine as a flat piece.



Hi Gang, I personally prefer it that way, I cant see the point of putting an engine in a kit if you're going to display it "in action". Do not get me wrong - I bought Meng`s Bradley kits AND the interiors (Three - one to use on a Tamiya kit to build a cavalry fighting vehicle!) but having built these the engines went into the spares box.
If leaving stuff like this out (or in Meng`s case an optional extra) keeps the price down I'm all for it.
retiredyank
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Posted: Friday, February 02, 2018 - 10:09 PM UTC

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their 9A52-2 which totally a joke as they just simply changed the scud model which based on maz7911 into a freak: only the cabin shell is maz543...
Let’s see the final result.


Every review I have read would disagree, with this statement.
zedhol
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 07:51 PM UTC
Well, I just got my Meng M911 and all I can say is WOW. I cannot vouch for accuracy or fit yet, but looking at what I have so far, I can't wait to build it.

The subject itself obviously requires that any model will be impressive in size, but that is not the only thing that gives this a WOW factor. Level of detail is exceptional and mold quality is superb. The large parts count is also a reflection of size, but I think it also reflects the intelligent design work that Meng have put in to this kit. There are places where multiple parts are appropriate and in those places this approach has been used and where not appropriate single pieces are used. Furthermore, the molding quality is excellent, none of the mold slip that is so prevalent in Trumpeter/Hobbyboss kits, i.e. the Vickers Medium Mk I that I am currently building. Meng have molded several hoses in plastic (e.g. D26 & 30) that are usable as is with no clean up that, in my experience with HB would often need replacing. Note, I do buy HB kits and look forward to many of their future releases and I don't have their M911 to compare, but just stating previous experience. The quality of the Meng parts are what I expect for the price that this costs and Meng have delivered.

Some more things of note, the kit includes just a few PE parts, but they are right for the places where they are used and there are several jigs to assist folding the PE into the right shape. Also included are window masks, metal tow cable, red and blue wire for the connections and reflective self adhesive metal for the mirrors. Decals are in perfect register and readable. This kit includes everything to make a superb model out of the box. There will be aftermarket that can do more, but for once I won't be buying any.
Wierdy
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 08:21 PM UTC

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Well, I just got my Meng M911 and all I can say is WOW. I cannot vouch for accuracy or fit yet, but looking at what I have so far, I can't wait to build it.

Hoping to see your build real soon!
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 08:41 PM UTC

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These larger size vehicles kind of suppose to be more accurate than 'normal' kits such as tanks and softskins due to higher prices.


No, they cost more because they have higher design and production costs.

KL

But will they have high sales rate if underresearched and simplified? Those behemoths in big boxes cost a lot and they are not the main profit-makers for manufacturers. IMHO, they are made to demonstrate potential, experience and confidence of design and development team of a particular kit maker, along with their moulding craftsmanship. 'See, that's what we can do!'


Well, as you said, that's your opinion, or maybe just your dream.

Regardless, there's no evidence to say that big kits are more expensive because they are supposed to be more accurate. There is plenty of evidence that they are more expensive because they are bigger.

KL
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Posted: Friday, February 21, 2020 - 02:42 AM UTC
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