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Tiger Model: CB-90 H Fast Assault Craft
Petition2God

Joined: February 06, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - 11:53 PM UTC
Wow. Drool.

johhar

Joined: September 22, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 05:01 AM UTC
Who are the Swedes planning to assault?

RobinNilsson


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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 01:20 PM UTC
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Who are the Swedes planning to assault?
Nobody. or rather anyone who tries to invade us.
Check a detailed map showing the Swedish coastline and you will find a lot (and I mean a LOT) of islands. An invader coming over the water will, in most cases, have to pass these islands and will therefore need to secure them and we need to prevent that or get them off those islands if they have managed to get ashore.
/ Robin

leopard122

Joined: August 26, 2016
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 04:24 PM UTC
😉but that is not so difficult Robin with the Defense we have in Sweden... It's a joke...

RobinNilsson


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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 04:53 PM UTC
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😉but that is not so difficult Robin with the Defense we have in Sweden... It's a joke...
Scchhhhhhhh!!! That's a State Secret you know! I will have to report you to the Secret Police so they can arrest you


repynot

Joined: July 19, 2012
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 05:14 PM UTC
Wonder what the Price would be...

vettejack

Joined: November 23, 2012
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 06:29 PM UTC
Does their Bikini Team come with the kit??

matt


Joined: February 28, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 06:40 PM UTC
Really curious as to MSRP too...... Gonna have to have the USN version.

jfeenstra

Joined: April 24, 2014
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Posted: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - 08:00 PM UTC
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Really curious as to MSRP too...... Gonna have to have the USN version.
$69.99 from Lucky Model

trickymissfit
Joined: October 03, 2007
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Posted: Thursday, January 25, 2018 - 09:29 AM UTC
YAWN, and they could have done a Nasty Boat instead.

b2nhvi

Joined: June 17, 2016
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Posted: Thursday, January 25, 2018 - 02:11 PM UTC
RE: Crew figures. Need to put out an Iranian Republican Guard set to go with the U.S. one. CB-90 version that looks sweet is the Brazilian version with the RWS aft of the wheelhouse.

RobinNilsson


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Posted: Thursday, January 25, 2018 - 02:41 PM UTC
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RE: Crew figures. Need to put out an Iranian Republican Guard set to go with the U.S. one. CB-90 version that looks sweet is the Brazilian version with the RWS aft of the wheelhouse.
Here are two videos of the Swedish Trackfire RWS.
Promotional with music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjPA4-yteG4
Testing, no music, hits on target in inset picture frame:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8AotKdBNYw
Don't know if this is the same that you saw on the Brazilian version. It could be, it could have been filmed during the attempts to sell these boats and the RWS to Brazil.
Looks like it at least:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I42PVJtOlc&t=145s
/ Robin

ReluctantRenegade

Joined: March 09, 2016
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Posted: Thursday, January 25, 2018 - 03:43 PM UTC
Currently six countries operate CB-90s, but only two - rather unexpected - finishing options included in the kit. Judging by Tiger Modell's kit release strategy so far, I'm sure at least one, perhaps even two more (slightly) different versions will follow. I mean they released no less than three different kits of the rather esoteric IDF Nagmachon...

b2nhvi

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 02:37 AM UTC
Brazilian one I saw .... the CB -90 on the Amazon vid. ..... has a Trackfire mounted. It has only the M-2 (other videos show the RWS with an M-2 and an M-240). and the Brazilian one did not have the aerodynamic cover for the tower the RWS is on. Is Brazil operating the CB-90? Or was the footage just from an eval?

leopard122

Joined: August 26, 2016
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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 03:06 AM UTC
[quote]Currently six countries operate CB-90s, but only two - rather unexpected - finishing options included in the kit. Judging by Tiger Modell's kit release strategy so far, I'm sure at least one, perhaps even two more (slightly) different versions will follow. I mean they released no less than three different kits of the rather esoteric IDF Nagmachon...
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Yes when will they come out with the other versions they have promise..]
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Yes when will they come out with the other versions they have promise..]

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 04:12 AM UTC
Wonder why they have labelled it "Sweden CB-90 FSDT Assault craft", when there are no Swedish decal options included. Pretty certain the Swedish version will eventually come, but theres a risk that a lot will buy it and be pretty pissed off about this.


b2nhvi

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 09:15 AM UTC
Well, it IS designed and made by a Swedish company. A Panther is a GERMAN tank whether captured by the Russians or handed over to the French.

ReluctantRenegade

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 01:32 PM UTC
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theres a risk that a lot will buy it and be pretty pissed off about this.![]()
I think from the business-strategy point of view, it's actually a smart move by TM. If their first kit included the (most wanted) US and Swedish finishing options, not so many would by their second or third kit in the series with the more esoteric variants. On the other hand, many people who got excited about this rather special subject, would buy it as soon as comes out (regardless of the options included), and might even add a second one to the stash with the more common/desirable variants.

leopard122

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 02:46 PM UTC
Or you would have bought 2 or more if you would have want more then one version even if they include more then one option..
As you dont go and buy this version just because it's the first they release but you actually want the other versions because then you wait so i dont think they earn so much more like this...
as you dont go and buy a volkswagen when you will buy a bmw just because the bmw was not released then.. Right? Then you wait...
As you dont go and buy this version just because it's the first they release but you actually want the other versions because then you wait so i dont think they earn so much more like this...


ReluctantRenegade

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 03:02 PM UTC
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you dont go and buy this version just because it's the first they release but you actually want the other versions
Well, I think that actually a surprisingly large number of customers will do just that - especially when the release date of the next kit(s) in line is still unknown. As a matter of fact, that's EXACTLY what I did when they released their first, late-production Nagmachon 'Doghouse' variant. I've bought it right away, even though I was more interested in the non-doghouse (middle) variant and there were clear indications (extra parts that could only be associated with the middle-production variant) that there's another one in the pipeline. Just couldn't wait...
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as you dont go and buy a volkswagen when you will buy a bmw just because the bmw was not released then.. Right? Then you wait...
...unless you really want/need want a car - now. Plus VW and BMW products usually don't fall into the same price-range, whereas these kits will cost the same. The right analogy should be: 'should I buy a car in one of the available colors now or should I wait for the one I like that might come later?'

RobinNilsson


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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 05:31 PM UTC
I agree with Israel on the probable business plan. Release the "odd" versions first and the most common or most wanted later.
Adding to what Israel already wrote: there might be other reasons for the Malaysian variant, could be a strong regional interest (the Greek version tags along because it is the same).
The Swedish and US versions need some extra parts which could possibly still not be ready, need more references, discussing with lawyers and owners of design rights.
/ Robin
Adding to what Israel already wrote: there might be other reasons for the Malaysian variant, could be a strong regional interest (the Greek version tags along because it is the same).
The Swedish and US versions need some extra parts which could possibly still not be ready, need more references, discussing with lawyers and owners of design rights.
/ Robin

leopard122

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 06:07 PM UTC
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äI agree with Israel on the probable business plan. Release the "odd" versions first and the most common or most wanted later.
Adding to what Israel already wrote: there might be other reasons for the Malaysian variant, could be a strong regional interest (the Greek version tags along because it is the same).
The Swedish and US versions need some extra parts which could possibly still not be ready, need more references, discussing with lawyers and owners of design rights.
/ Robin
Yes Robin , it's probably like you say but why then show the boat like they did almost 1 year ago as it's looks the same now as then so they have had time to make the different parts for a Swedish version.. as they said that when they was showing the kit and i did ask them about that in a personal message to them...
So they can still add it to this kit as the difference is not so big i assume.. If you looking on photos.. And if i would have had both a Swedish and Malaysian version i would have bought 2 kits but if i only want the swedish version i dont buy this version ofcourse so they will not earn more on it like this...
Israel you said you bought the first version of the Nagmachon kit, you would probably have bought that kit anyway if they would have included more options in the kit if you would have want it so much...
It's not so easy to sell models, people think and buy what they really want nowdays as they are not so cheap anylonger... Then we have a few that buys everything but they would have bought this anyway if they want more then one version...
They can atleast tell that we will release the Swedish and US version in that time table... But i dont care as i will not buy the malaysian version anyway so me they will not earn any on for doing like this...
And i'm with Frank, why write big Sweden CB-90 on the box art when no Swedish decals are included.....

On more thing, it have nothing to do with this kit but why is not the News treads come up any longer in the forum sections?

RobinNilsson


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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 06:55 PM UTC

OK, it says Swidish ....
on the other hand:

but it can also be like this:
but I don't know if Finland or the Netherlands use the designation M270A1 for their vehicles ...
The only thing that IS certain is that the manufacturer and/or box-art designer will label the boxes the way that they think is best for their business

What happens if they for some strange financial and/or marketing reason decide to NOT release the Swedish version. If you had bought the Malaysian there would probably be some aftermarket stuff to convert the Malaysian/Greek version into the Swedish one. Without the base kit you can't use the conversion set either .....
I'll probably end up buying both of them, sucker that I am ...
/ Robin

leopard122

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Posted: Friday, January 26, 2018 - 08:12 PM UTC


Yes Robin you never know if it will come a conversion if they dont release it as promised.. That chance you have to take....life is a game, the world is not going under for that..


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