I thought the welded hull was the sign of an M3A1?
Why couldn't Tamiya do a Honey and spare us this confusion.
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Bravo1102
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Posted: Monday, January 29, 2018 - 05:05 PM UTC
At least one picture that I saw labeled an M3 Hybrid has the flat horseshoe turret on a riveted square back hull. It was one of the Russian ones that is one of the tanks on the Academy decal sheet. Is that an M3 late or an M3A1 early
I thought the welded hull was the sign of an M3A1?
Why couldn't Tamiya do a Honey and spare us this confusion.
I thought the welded hull was the sign of an M3A1?
Why couldn't Tamiya do a Honey and spare us this confusion.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Monday, January 29, 2018 - 10:10 PM UTC
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At least one picture that I saw labeled an M3 Hybrid has the flat horseshoe turret on a riveted square back hull. It was one of the Russian ones that is one of the tanks on the Academy decal sheet. Is that an M3 late or an M3A1 early
I thought the welded hull was the sign of an M3A1?
Why couldn't Tamiya do a Honey and spare us this confusion.
The hull construction and turret shell progressed in steps independently of the model or engine type. At the very beginning and very end of production you can be sure what you are looking at by a process of elimination, but in the great middle, not so much. The timing of various changes is still a subject of research, but once that is sorted out one can start making educated guesses about what features should appear together.
The M3A1 was a tank with power traverse, a turret basket, and an M23 rather than M22 combination gun mount. The hybrids, were (IIRC) M3s with power traverse but no basket, or some such mix of features that made it very difficult for the turret crew to operate.
Captions and identifications should be treated with suspicion unless they are Ordnance photos with the black caption block at the bottom. People have made and propagated assumptions over the years about what features make an M3 vs. M3A1, but anything visible externally is just a secondary characteristic. For example, the tank at APG was the prototype M3A1 (M3A1 turret complex on an existing M3 hull) but it served as source for many folks as to what an M3_ should look like.
It's curious how Tamiya came to make their old M3 as a diesel because they usually copy surviving vehicles (sometimes to a fault...) and there were very few diesels around to look at in the 1970s (or today).
KL
barrowb98
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 12:40 AM UTC
It'd be awesome if it turned out to be an all-new late M3A1 with the curved rear, but I'm not getting my hopes up. It might end up being the old kit with a new turret roof for the "hybrid" turret. The stock numbers can go either way, they did an M8 HMC and M5A1 that just had some new figures and they had new 35xxx-series numbers. The old M13/40 got an aluminum barrel and a few new parts and got a new 35xxx number. We'll probably find out for sure tomorrow when Nuremberg Toy Fair opens
Iraqiwildman
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 01:14 AM UTC
Of their last 15 releases in the 35XXX series, 13 have been new tooling, one was the older Matilda (2009) with a new figure and the other was the M4A8E2 (2015) with Korean War markings.
So hopefully this M3 will be a new tooling, since it looks like the Wespe will just have new figures and maybe some extra parts for Italy.
So hopefully this M3 will be a new tooling, since it looks like the Wespe will just have new figures and maybe some extra parts for Italy.
Iraqiwildman
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 01:58 AM UTC
Scalemates has the M3 #35360 as listed as "new tool".
It also has the Wespe #35358 as "new tool"
It also has the Wespe #35358 as "new tool"
StarForce
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 06:20 PM UTC
Straight from Tamiya blog:
The M3:
https://tamiyablog.com/2018/01/tamiya-1-35-u-s-light-tank-m3-stuart-late-production-nuremberg-toy-fair-2018/
The Wespe:
https://tamiyablog.com/2018/01/tamiya-35358-german-self-propelled-howitzer-wespe-italian-front/
The Wespe says new parts, so it's not a new tooling. It would appear they've added the figures, a new sprocket, link and length tracks and some interior details.
The M3 seems to be new ?
The M3:
https://tamiyablog.com/2018/01/tamiya-1-35-u-s-light-tank-m3-stuart-late-production-nuremberg-toy-fair-2018/
The Wespe:
https://tamiyablog.com/2018/01/tamiya-35358-german-self-propelled-howitzer-wespe-italian-front/
The Wespe says new parts, so it's not a new tooling. It would appear they've added the figures, a new sprocket, link and length tracks and some interior details.
The M3 seems to be new ?
barrowb98
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 06:23 PM UTC
M3 is definitely all-new.
IIRC the Wespe had the location marks for the interior parts all along it just didn't have them.
IIRC the Wespe had the location marks for the interior parts all along it just didn't have them.
Vierville
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 06:52 PM UTC
I've never built a Tamiya tank kit but judging by their recent figure releases they have improved their accuracy tremendously so I'll certainly give the M3 Stuart a try. Pity it will most probably come with rubber band tracks.
ericadeane
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 06:58 PM UTC
The display photos from the Nuremberg Toy Fair shows the M3 Light Tank to have newly tooled vinyl tracks -- not link and length.
Bravo1102
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 07:16 PM UTC
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The display photos from the Nuremberg Toy Fair shows the M3 Light Tank to have newly tooled vinyl tracks -- not link and length.
Stuarts usually maintained tight track tension so band is fine and Afv-club track kits are all over the place.
With that seperate rear hull there might be a curved rear hull part. I can't tell on my phone. Looks like a must buy. Looks mind you.
Im glad I built my M3A1 as Russian and could easily add an American one to the collection.barrowb98
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 07:17 PM UTC
I don't mind vinyl so much on live (double-pin) track as they don't sag but it's a bugger to clean up any mold lines on them. To be honest I kind of prefer them for that type of track.
rfbaer
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 07:39 PM UTC
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I don't mind vinyl so much on live (double-pin) track as they don't sag but it's a bugger to clean up any mold lines on them. To be honest I kind of prefer them for that type of track.
Same here. This kit is now on my "must have, must build" list.
brekinapez
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 08:25 PM UTC
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M3 is definitely all-new.
IIRC the Wespe had the location marks for the interior parts all along it just didn't have them.
Yes, but it's a shame it took over 23 years to get those parts included in the kit. Better late than never, I suppose.
Iraqiwildman
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 08:30 PM UTC
Has anyone seen a retail price on these yet?
tedward
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 09:26 PM UTC
Some Tamiya's product pictures on 2018 Nuremberg Toy Fair at following Chinese Model Fans website:
http://www.moxingfans.com/new/news/2018/0131/4432.html
M3A1 with box-art, sprues and decal. Seems it is all new tooling, without any old part.
http://www.moxingfans.com/new/news/2018/0131/4432.html
M3A1 with box-art, sprues and decal. Seems it is all new tooling, without any old part.
SKiernan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 09:31 PM UTC
Roy
Any word on the turret, my understanding was the original Tamiya and later Academy turret were undersized.
Thrilled to see more Allied stuff from Tamiya
Steve
Any word on the turret, my understanding was the original Tamiya and later Academy turret were undersized.
Thrilled to see more Allied stuff from Tamiya
Steve
Bravo1102
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 11:05 PM UTC
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Roy
Any word on the turret, my understanding was the original Tamiya and later Academy turret were undersized.
Thrilled to see more Allied stuff from Tamiya
Steve
Someone will have to get the kit and measure it. There is sadly no way to tell with any accuracy from these pictures and Tamiya won't put out a press release saying the turret is undersized. I would not venture a guess as to scale fidelity from images like this.
I counted the hull parts and compared them and it appears there may be two rear hull pieces. But I'm probably wrong.
I so want the M3A1 hull to be there I may be seeing things that aren't there. 
panamadan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 - 11:22 PM UTC
clovis899
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 01:35 AM UTC
Looks very nice in the photos. I have been very impressed with Tamiya of late in maintaining a nice balance between detail and ease of build.
Figure(s) look pretty nice as well.
Cheers,
Rick
Figure(s) look pretty nice as well.
Cheers,
Rick
StarForce
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 02:13 AM UTC
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Some Tamiya's product pictures on 2018 Nuremberg Toy Fair at following Chinese Model Fans website:
http://www.moxingfans.com/new/news/2018/0131/4432.html
M3A1 with box-art, sprues and decal. Seems it is all new tooling, without any old part.
Impressive to see the exact same photos published earlier on Tamiya's blog website used by the chinese site and with their watermark added
Jmarles
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 04:45 AM UTC
Looks like a couple of new interior pieces and some extra ammo too for the Wespe...
m4sherman
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 05:36 AM UTC
The Stuart looks very nice, and adaptable to other versions. With any luck they will do the Honey.
barrowb98
Joined: April 20, 2015
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Posted: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 - 06:13 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextSome Tamiya's product pictures on 2018 Nuremberg Toy Fair at following Chinese Model Fans website:
http://www.moxingfans.com/new/news/2018/0131/4432.html
M3A1 with box-art, sprues and decal. Seems it is all new tooling, without any old part.
Impressive to see the exact same photos published earlier on Tamiya's blog website used by the chinese site and with their watermark added
TamiyaBlog is not actually affiliated with Tamiya but they always have the best coverage from Nuremberg
Wierdy
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Posted: Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 12:01 AM UTC
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Has anyone seen a retail price on these yet?
http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/6afrzzlvrrqiyfuj9ovs.html
m4sherman
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Posted: Thursday, February 01, 2018 - 12:51 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextHas anyone seen a retail price on these yet?
http://www.hobbyeasy.com/en/data/6afrzzlvrrqiyfuj9ovs.html
Their showing it as 28.21 marked down to 25.64 USD. So, maybe 35.00 to 40.00 once it hits the local shops in the US?
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