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hawk Missle battery AFV vs Dragon
blaster76
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 01:48 PM UTC
Both are available. The Dragon runs in mid $20's the AFV in Mid $50's. So a 30 dollar difference. What makes the AFV cost twice as much? Are they including the radar setup, tons of PE or maybe figures? Is the accuaracy sooooo much better as to justify spending more than twice as much if there is no extra stuff?
sdk10159
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 02:05 PM UTC
That's a really good question.
I couldn't find a review of the Dragon kit, just the AFV CLub.
The Dragon kit has 150 parts and the AFV has 228. So I'm guessing that the launcher the AFV offering is much more detailed than the Dragon kit.
Does that justify a $30 difference? Not for me, it doesn't.
Steve
I couldn't find a review of the Dragon kit, just the AFV CLub.
The Dragon kit has 150 parts and the AFV has 228. So I'm guessing that the launcher the AFV offering is much more detailed than the Dragon kit.
Does that justify a $30 difference? Not for me, it doesn't.
Steve
petbat
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 03:42 PM UTC
I am not an expert on the HAWK, but based on pics online ..
If this pic is anything to go by... AFV Club gives you better fit.
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10501912/30/1
Also the AFV club has the six hole wheel on the trailer which Dragon only has on their box art..... and I can't find a pic of the tyre Dragon portrays. It is similar, but distinctly different.
AFV Club seems to have a back on their launcher cradle where Dragon has.... open air....
and that is just from a cursory look.
If you want to replace the wheels and tyre - the total cost goes up.
If this pic is anything to go by... AFV Club gives you better fit.
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10501912/30/1
Also the AFV club has the six hole wheel on the trailer which Dragon only has on their box art..... and I can't find a pic of the tyre Dragon portrays. It is similar, but distinctly different.
AFV Club seems to have a back on their launcher cradle where Dragon has.... open air....
and that is just from a cursory look.
If you want to replace the wheels and tyre - the total cost goes up.
tanknick22
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 04:08 PM UTC
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I am not an expert on the HAWK, but based on pics online ..
If this pic is anything to go by... AFV Club gives you better fit.
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10501912/30/1
Also the AFV club has the six hole wheel on the trailer which Dragon only has on their box art..... and I can't find a pic of the tyre Dragon portrays. It is similar, but distinctly different.
AFV Club seems to have a back on their launcher cradle where Dragon has.... open air....
and that is just from a cursory look.
If you want to replace the wheels and tyre - the total cost goes up.
Here is a link from Dragon usa site
http://dragonmodelsusa.com/dmlusa/prodd.asp?pid=DRA3580
Vodnik
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 04:48 PM UTC
AFV Club kit is accurate. Dragon one is not. Whether it matters to you and if accuracy is worth extra cost is a personal choice. Both look ("kinda" in case of Dragon) like a Hawk once built...
BootsDMS
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 08:03 PM UTC
Somewhat off track (no pun intended) but any news of the (Dragon) M727?
blaster76
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 08:14 PM UTC
The issue of accuracy boils down to level. I remember people pitching hissy fits because the number of bolts on the drive sprocket were off by one. You needed a magnifying glass almost to see them. Or a guy complaining because the wingspan of some 48 scale plane was off by 3 scale inches...how did he find that out use a micrometer. Then again as in the M103 the shape of the bow and several other things was way off. So the question of accuracy is how much. Super details or something blatantly wrong. I understand rivet counters and those who are reasonably close...Im a reasonably close...but dont want to pick up something that would require extensive modifications. LOL with the M103 you are stuck because its the only game in town. But here I have a choice. 30 dollar difference is pretty significant if you have to pay for it
Oh and Peter I did see pictures of it with the 4 hole wheel. Vast majority though are 6. May have been a Bundeswehr deal
Oh and Peter I did see pictures of it with the 4 hole wheel. Vast majority though are 6. May have been a Bundeswehr deal
Bravo1102
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 08:32 PM UTC
Well a new Dragon kit sure beats trying to rework a Renwal or Life-like kit.
Now how about a crew in 1960s era fatigues as were in the old Lifelike kit? For 60 year old kits those were decent figures.
Now how about a crew in 1960s era fatigues as were in the old Lifelike kit? For 60 year old kits those were decent figures.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 08:44 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Well a new Dragon kit sure beats trying to rework a Renwal or Life-like kit.
Now how about a crew in 1960s era fatigues as were in the old Lifelike kit? For 60 year old kits those were decent figures.
Were the figures Life-Like?
petbat
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 11:27 PM UTC
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Oh and Peter I did see pictures of it with the 4 hole wheel. Vast majority though are 6. May have been a Bundeswehr deal
Yes there was a 4 hole rim seen in some pics, but the tyre was the actual issue I raised with Dragon's kit.
thompyt
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 11:45 PM UTC
I got a little excited when the title said HAWK Battery. Wheres the Launcher,PAR, ROR, ICWAR, HIPAR and PCP? Make it a full battery with the BCC and ICC, please
petbat
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 01:46 AM UTC
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I got a little excited when the title said HAWK Battery. Wheres the Launcher,PAR, ROR, ICWAR, HIPAR and PCP? Make it a full battery with the BCC and ICC, please
Could have been worse Wayne - it may have been this
http://powernsun.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/100_1.jpg
Kenaicop
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 11:13 AM UTC
And miles and miles of cable...
Quoted Text
Quoted TextI got a little excited when the title said HAWK Battery. Wheres the Launcher,PAR, ROR, ICWAR, HIPAR and PCP? Make it a full battery with the BCC and ICC, please
Could have been worse Wayne - it may have been this
http://powernsun.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/100_1.jpg
pzcreations
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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 - 06:37 PM UTC
I plan on building one of the Dragon kits as a GI Joe HAWK ..so accuracy or not, was the perfect fit for my project! lol just have to round off the pointy missiles. and find some Joe decals somehow
Garrand
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Posted: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 - 11:36 PM UTC
I used to have the GI Joe HAWK toy as a kid! I don't recall many Joe specific decals though, except maybe the missiles? What will you do for the figure of Hawk then?
Anyone else remember or have the old GI Joe kits released back in the early '80s? Always thought they looked cool!
Damon.
Anyone else remember or have the old GI Joe kits released back in the early '80s? Always thought they looked cool!
Damon.
pzcreations
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Posted: Thursday, February 22, 2018 - 02:37 AM UTC
I cant recall if it did have Joe decals,but usually everyone of them did..havent yet researched it,just got the kit in afew days ago. Im sure I can bash some 35th scale figures to make Gen Hawk. Yeah ,used to have some of those models too..in fact, the HumJeep model was played with just as much as the toys were lol
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Thursday, February 22, 2018 - 02:57 AM UTC
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