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Panther from La Glieze
Jvandeusen
Joined: April 24, 2017
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 11:22 PM UTC
Just curious as to the fate of Panther turret number 221, a Panther V Ausf G, that was abandoned. Was it salvaged as a war memorial, scrapped or Brits or U.S. haul it off. It seemed to be popular with a lot of model kits.---John
easyco69
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Posted: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 - 11:31 PM UTC
I have no idea lol.
check out this one below they pulled out of the river..aren't those KT transport tracks? All steel wheel. nice
check out this one below they pulled out of the river..aren't those KT transport tracks? All steel wheel. nice
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 12:12 AM UTC
Here's the ambiguous caption I've found for the picture above that shows #221 :
"Captured German tank at LaGleize, Belgium. Jan. 45. Panther tank commanded by Knappisch is a rare late war model where the roadwheels are totally of steel (called Steel wheel Panther), the same design as from the Tiger II, this Panther is destroyed just on the spot by heavy US troops fire".
H.P.
bill_c
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 12:58 AM UTC
Not La Gleize, but check this feature out on Houffalize's Panther tank. That handsome bearded young man is my son, Peter.
Jvandeusen
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 01:15 AM UTC
Thanks for the answers so far, I will find out it's true fate sooner or later. Bill I don't know if that's original paint either as I believe it is not turret number 401, I read somewhere that it was turret number 111 that was fished out of the river.---John
AKirchhoff
Joined: September 12, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 01:22 AM UTC
Hi,
actually a King Tiger survived as a war memorial at LaGleize infront of a little but nice war museum. You might be aware of the story, if not, see here:
http://www.december44.com/en/tiger-213.htm
I have toured all the tank memorials in this Ardennes area for a friend about 20 years ago, but I did not notice a Panther memorial except from the one at Houffalize (shown in this thread), which actually is removed for restauration.
You may contact the museum for information on Panther 221.
And you may find some interesting information here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1181427792/La+Gleize+Panther+221
Andreas
actually a King Tiger survived as a war memorial at LaGleize infront of a little but nice war museum. You might be aware of the story, if not, see here:
http://www.december44.com/en/tiger-213.htm
I have toured all the tank memorials in this Ardennes area for a friend about 20 years ago, but I did not notice a Panther memorial except from the one at Houffalize (shown in this thread), which actually is removed for restauration.
You may contact the museum for information on Panther 221.
And you may find some interesting information here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1181427792/La+Gleize+Panther+221
Andreas
sam_dwyer
Joined: November 03, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 02:44 AM UTC
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I have no idea lol.
check out this one below they pulled out of the river..aren't those KT transport tracks? All steel wheel. nice
Correct, you have NO idea.
The panther above is the chassis for the Panther II prototype, with a Panther G turret placed on top. It was NOT pulled from a river.
Research and historical accuracy isnt for everyone.
Sam
TopSmith
Joined: August 09, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 08:29 AM UTC
The panther 2 chassis is easy to identify because the first road wheel is an exterior set of wheels like a Tiger 1. The normal panthers first road wheel set is an interior set.
oldbean
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 05:20 PM UTC
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Quoted TextI have no idea lol.
check out this one below they pulled out of the river..aren't those KT transport tracks? All steel wheel. nice
Correct, you have NO idea.
The panther above is the chassis for the Panther II prototype, with a Panther G turret placed on top. It was NOT pulled from a river.
Research and historical accuracy isnt for everyone.
Sam
Jeeze! No need to be rude about it. Research and accuracy may not be everyone's strong point, but decent manners should be.
jrutman
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 07:13 PM UTC
The Panther in question was hit and disabled while the Peiper battlegroup was still advancing in the area of Stoumont Station. The tank limped back to LeGleize and stayed there while the town was surrounded by US troops. It was abandoned when Peipers guys retreated but it was not "destroyed in place by heavy US fire",clearly a war time propaganda caption.
It was cut up for scrap like all the other AFV left behind at LeGleize,except for the famous Tiger II which still lurks in front of the village museum,sporting the front half of a gun barrel from a Panther !
Have a nice day,
J
It was cut up for scrap like all the other AFV left behind at LeGleize,except for the famous Tiger II which still lurks in front of the village museum,sporting the front half of a gun barrel from a Panther !
Have a nice day,
J
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 07:32 PM UTC
Thanks for setting things straight Jerry 
H.P.
H.P.
Jvandeusen
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 08:52 PM UTC
Thanks Jerry, sadly that's what I figured.I just wished there was a color picture taken, hard to paint from B&W shadowy images.---John
bill_c
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Posted: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 - 11:32 PM UTC
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Jeeze! No need to be rude about it. Research and accuracy may not be everyone's strong point, but decent manners should be.
Hear, hear. Keep it civil or I'll have the mods step in.
Removed by original poster on 05/13/19 - 21:42:34 (GMT).
jrutman
Joined: April 10, 2011
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2018 - 07:42 PM UTC
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Thanks Jerry, sadly that's what I figured.I just wished there was a color picture taken, hard to paint from B&W shadowy images.---John
If you can get hold of a copy of Duel in the Mist (vol II) there are excellent color plates in the back showing the cammo patterns from the various factories producing Panthers at this time. The tanks were all factory painted at this stage of the war in order to save materials,etc.
J
jrutman
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2018 - 07:43 PM UTC
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Thanks for setting things straight Jerry
H.P.
That is a big change Henri. Usually it is YOU setting us all straight ! Hahahahahaaa. Thanks for all of your help buddy.
J
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, February 15, 2018 - 08:48 PM UTC
My pleasure Jerry (PM sent)
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(PM sent)H.P.
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