Dragon screwed the pooch on their HAWK missile launcher i was looking at the sprue shots on hobby search there is a good view of the wheels and tires they are horrible they look just like the cad images they look nothing like the real wheels and tires, i have to build one for a commision build any sugestions for replacewment wheels?
Will the front wheels from a M35 deuce and a half be the same?
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tanknick22
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Posted: Friday, February 23, 2018 - 05:09 AM UTC
Epi
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Yes they will work.
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Posted: Friday, February 23, 2018 - 05:03 PM UTC
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Yes they will work.
where can I get a set of front wheels from a M35 deuce and a half?
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Posted: Friday, February 23, 2018 - 05:52 PM UTC
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Quoted TextYes they will work.
where can I get a set of front wheels from a M35 deuce and a half?
Have you tried google?
I found 2 sets in about 5 seconds
tanknick22
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Posted: Friday, February 23, 2018 - 07:12 PM UTC
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where atQuoted TextYes they will work.
where can I get a set of front wheels from a M35 deuce and a half
Have you tried google?
I found 2 sets in about 5 seconds
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On Google.
KL
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Quoted Textwhere atQuoted TextYes they will work.
where can I get a set of front wheels from a M35 deuce and a half
Have you tried google?
I found 2 sets in about 5 seconds
On Google.
KL
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 04:35 AM UTC
Kurt, do you know if the tire in the DML kit matches any real tire?
It looks familiar and the closest I have found to looking like it are the wheels on the M274 Mule (which they are obviously not really from).
Not sure if DML just totally made this tire up or if they "borrowed" it, incorrectly, from another kit.
It looks familiar and the closest I have found to looking like it are the wheels on the M274 Mule (which they are obviously not really from).
Not sure if DML just totally made this tire up or if they "borrowed" it, incorrectly, from another kit.
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 05:55 AM UTC
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Kurt, do you know if the tire in the DML kit matches any real tire?
Neither the wheel or tire looks like a real military tire. There are tires with lug treads, and wheels with four openings (some have said), but they don't look this.
KL
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 06:11 AM UTC
It looks close to a WWII Dodge WC-series tire/wheel, but not a match. They have 5 holes though.
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It looks close to a WWII Dodge WC-series tire/wheel, but not a match. They have 5 holes though.
the wheels in sprue shot on hobby search even look like the cad drawings
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 08:58 PM UTC
Thanks Alan, yeah, I know what is needed. Just wondering, as I do whenever this BS happens, why a company would go to such lengths to make a totally incorrect part when it would have taken just as much work to just do it correctly to begin with. This sort of thing hurts my brain. And it is not even a part from some other kit, a cost-cutting measure that is at least logical (if still not stupid). This is just downright laziness.
That said, I am building my copy of the DML kit as we speak. Why? Because I was able to buy it for US$13 shipped to me. Hard to beat that price, but now I need to get a pair of new wheels for it. Time to cast some up I guess.
That said, I am building my copy of the DML kit as we speak. Why? Because I was able to buy it for US$13 shipped to me. Hard to beat that price, but now I need to get a pair of new wheels for it. Time to cast some up I guess.
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 09:10 PM UTC
Different tires though ...
German units:
http://www.bredow-web.de/Drohnen_und_Raketen/FlaRak-System_HAWK/flarak-system_hawk.html
Unimog 9x20 rims:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Unimog-Felge-9-x-20-Bundeswehr-Suedrad-oder-Lemmers-/253240416576
These are not quite right. 4 holes yes but Dragons attempt look a lot simpler, less "profiled"
/ Robin
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 09:24 PM UTC
Not hard to imagine how this could happen. Museums replace missing/damaged components with whatever fits. "Researcher" comes along, assumes it's correct.
And speaking of DEF, I know they used one of my photos of an actual combat M1A2 to produce one of their sets - a photo someone else had given them - because the item they included was a one off deal not normally used they way it as being used. So things happen. Fortunately it was something you can fix, not like putting propellers and engine cowls on a plane that didn't exist for the time frame the kit was supposed to represent. Actually, that was fixable too. My bad.
And speaking of DEF, I know they used one of my photos of an actual combat M1A2 to produce one of their sets - a photo someone else had given them - because the item they included was a one off deal not normally used they way it as being used. So things happen. Fortunately it was something you can fix, not like putting propellers and engine cowls on a plane that didn't exist for the time frame the kit was supposed to represent. Actually, that was fixable too. My bad.
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 10:08 PM UTC
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Different tires though ...
Way more than that is different.
vs.
Wheel diameter as a proportion of tire diameter.
Size of wheel cutouts.
Wheel contour.
. . . And how about this: The number of lug nuts!
KL
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Posted: Sunday, February 25, 2018 - 10:30 PM UTC
Sure, there are significant differences.
I was aiming at something in real life that the CAD-designers at Dragon could have used as a base for their misinterpretations.
The number of lug-nuts is very hard to explain.
Using some type of locally available rim is easy as long as it is approximately the right size and has the correct number and positioning of nuts.
Going from 6 to 5 nuts means changing the ends of the axle, or the whole axle, as well.
/ Robin
I was aiming at something in real life that the CAD-designers at Dragon could have used as a base for their misinterpretations.
The number of lug-nuts is very hard to explain.
Using some type of locally available rim is easy as long as it is approximately the right size and has the correct number and positioning of nuts.
Going from 6 to 5 nuts means changing the ends of the axle, or the whole axle, as well.
/ Robin
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Going from 6 to 5 nuts means changing the ends of the axle, or the whole axle, as well.
Or that Dragon no longer gives even a single sh!t about accuracy anymore.
I vote for the latter.
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Quoted TextGoing from 6 to 5 nuts means changing the ends of the axle, or the whole axle, as well.
Or that Dragon no longer gives even a single sh!t about accuracy anymore.
I vote for the latter.
What's up with that? Dragon announced a while back they were going more into the fantasy model and toy line. I agree, their research is off a bit lately, and they seem to be OK with shortcuts on accuracy, yet the price increases. In the old days when they were new, I'd buy a kit with the Dragon name on it before looking at any other manufacturer, and still have some nice older Dragon kits in my stash. But now, I always wait to read the reviews when a new Dragon kit is released. I haven't seen many of their new releases that haven't had a host of problems, especially in the "Black Label" line. This Hawk kit is a good example of their latest efforts-- a wheeled kit with inaccurate tires and fantasy wheels that seem to have no basis in fact? I hope their "fantasy and toy" lines are working--because some of those guys from that area appear to be working in the "scale model" line too. A little harsh I suppose, but I'd rather spend more money on a realistic kit than put my time into something that looks odd. Maybe they think nobody will notice?
VR, Russ
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That said, I am building my copy of the DML kit as we speak. Why? Because I was able to buy it for US$13 shipped to me. Hard to beat that price, but now I need to get a pair of new wheels for it. Time to cast some up I guess.
Jaques, could you share some photos of your build? Would be nice to see and hear how the kit builds. I'm currently building the AFV Club offering myself.
Cheers,
/E
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Yes, I will get some up this weekend
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Not this weekend, but here are a few pics as I started the build. First few thoughts...lots of filling and cleaning. Pictures speak volumes. Still, well worth the $13 I spent for them.
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I agree, their research is off a bit lately, and they seem to be OK with shortcuts on accuracy, yet the price increases.
See, the cost of Dragon kits has ceased to bother me at all.
I don't buy them anymore.
At all.
So my "give a sh!t" factor on them, along with my stress levels, have plummeted. I enjoy my modelling time much more now.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 - 01:13 AM UTC
Cheers Jacques.
Here's a few of my AFV Club kit in progress. Two types of fins are included. Not sure why, but AFV Club chose the gimmick route for the rudder fins and made them movable. As useful as "recoiling gun barrels" if you ask me and make it harder to line up the main fins. Some small parts, as expected from an AFV kit, and some filler here and there is needed.
/E
Here's a few of my AFV Club kit in progress. Two types of fins are included. Not sure why, but AFV Club chose the gimmick route for the rudder fins and made them movable. As useful as "recoiling gun barrels" if you ask me and make it harder to line up the main fins. Some small parts, as expected from an AFV kit, and some filler here and there is needed.
/E
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Posted: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 - 01:30 AM UTC
The AFV Club kit looks a LOT nicer. Still, some of the seams are in the exact same spot, surprise, surprise. I will have to pick up a AFV Club one some day.
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