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Protection from Enamel Washes
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 11:38 AM UTC
Guys - I've been using spray can lacquer gloss before and after decals and also to protect from the Mig washes I use.

I have some Vallejo and MM gloss acrylic I've tried thru the airbrush but the spray can seems to give the most flowing surface.

My question is, what's the best protection from the Mig washes and thinner? As I lightly remove excess wash with a Mig thinner dampened brush, it will sometimes start to remove a little paint.

Any tips / techniques for absolutely avoid this?

I use 95 percent model air through the HP CS for my painting btw

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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 11:49 AM UTC
A well cured acrylic clear coat.
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 02:38 PM UTC
Clear acrylic works for me as well.
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 04:24 PM UTC
I use Future and give it a couple of days to cure before I start weathering.
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 04:43 PM UTC
I also use acrylic clear coat. A week or so drying time improves results significantly. I also try to minimize rubbing of the surface, to reduce paint removal (it is still possible to rub paint of if you soak it too much). I give few days drying time before i apply next layer, to ensure that everything is hard and dry before application. There are exceptions here and there, but in most cases, every time i take shortcut i get more things to fix afterwards. Take your time, don't rush.
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 04:59 PM UTC
I use Alclad Aqua Gloss,great stuff,easy to use.
Brianlee
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 05:37 PM UTC
Ok interesting - so the acrylics will hold off the enamel wash / thinner but you should wait a week?

Acrylic has to really cute I suppose vs lacquer?
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2018 - 05:55 PM UTC

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Ok interesting - so the acrylics will hold off the enamel wash / thinner but you should wait a week?


Not necessarily. I've started an oil based wash just a few hours after applying Future. As long the Future is dry and the wash solvent isn't too aggressive.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 12:33 AM UTC

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Ok interesting - so the acrylics will hold off the enamel wash / thinner but you should wait a week?

Acrylic has to really cute I suppose vs lacquer?


What kind of thinner?

Tojo72
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 01:18 AM UTC

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Ok interesting - so the acrylics will hold off the enamel wash / thinner but you should wait a week?

Acrylic has to really cute I suppose vs lacquer?


I wait 24 hours for Alclad Aqua Gloss,no problems.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 03:09 AM UTC
Ok 24 hrs is better than a week

For the thinner I use the Mig "Thinner for Washes"

Is that a really strong thinner?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 03:22 AM UTC
I've always used Tamiya paints and seal with their clear gloss and thin with their thinner.
But wantever you use always test first. I have an old tank that I practice on either to check paint tints, decals or how the top clear coat effects weathering finishes.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 03:32 AM UTC
I would not say a heresy but I personally use the Humbrol Clear (a type of Future)only occasionally if I use enamel as base colors, if I use acrylics only where I place the decals, and I've never had any problems, even on Enamel if given well and left to dry,I can avoid any layer of clear, for me it is not strictly necessary, however I do not do any general wash, I do not like them, only filters and pinwash,i use Ammo,AK,Enamel,pigments and Oils and i dont buy any fancy thinner i use Diggers PureGum-Turps from Hardwarestore (Bunnings) but i done the same with Low Odour Mineral Turpentine,White Spirits and Mineral Turpentine from the same brand

My base coat are usually or Humbrol Enamel or Acrylics Lifecolor and MissionModels,but already done the same with Andrea,Vallejo and Italeri,but I think Italeri are made from Vallejo....never had any problems

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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 11:52 AM UTC
A week is exaggerated. I cant wait 2 hours to start next weathering step (not that much patience), i start working on different model meanwhile therefore i return to 1st one late
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 02:32 PM UTC
use vallejo water base washes.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 09:17 PM UTC

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use vallejo water base washes.


I don't like them. They seem to dry up too quickly for me.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 09:32 PM UTC

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use vallejo water base washes.


I don't like them. They seem to dry up too quickly for me.


Add one or two drops of Vallejo Airbrush thinner to your wash / water mix, they become fully reversible for almost 30 minutes after dry.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 - 09:59 PM UTC

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use vallejo water base washes.


Vallejo washes are the best filters ever, IMHO. I can't build without them these days. I use it for filters, for weathering wheels adding pigment (it becomes reversible after dry with water) and adding Vallejo's Airb Thinner to the mix. I do everything with them, Figure line washes, bloody veins in eyes in large scale figures, metallic paint washes, etc. One of my most valuable tools for sure.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 10:04 AM UTC

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use vallejo water base washes.


I don't like them. They seem to dry up too quickly for me.


Add one or two drops of Vallejo Airbrush thinner to your wash / water mix, they become fully reversible for almost 30 minutes after dry.


Julian,

Thanks for the tip. Will try that sometime.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 03:26 PM UTC

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Add one or two drops of Vallejo Airbrush thinner to your wash / water mix, they become fully reversible for almost 30 minutes after dry.


In fact, I have just learned this weekend that Vallejo Airbrush Thinner can remove their washes even a couple of hours later.

Definitively I have to try it...
Jcondemichtoy
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 04:10 PM UTC
Yes, they are a medium that can be used in many ways. Also completely inoffensive (breathing wise).

But going for a thinner only removal after dry maybe dangerous for previous acrylic work.

When adding a few drops of the vallejo thinner to the wash mix, you can revert it with water, safe for the paint below, if acrylic.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 04:26 PM UTC
Seems that as long as the base paint is completely dry (more than 24 hours), it should not affect it. But I still have not tried myself.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 - 04:31 PM UTC
It's a risky procedure. Acrylic paints love to melt under Vallejo's thinner.

You can chip away any acrylic paint with it.

I always do reverse if needed with water, since always add the thinner to my mixes.
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