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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 03:45 AM UTC
Not sure if this is "on topic",but ..... I am working on Miniarts L1500 truck kit and am using the scheme for the Englehardt Brauerei truck. Kit has it with war time "IB" Berlin plates. I'd like to do it as a post war truck. Questions I have are #1 - How long did it take for them to resume production? And #2 - which side of the "wall" were they on. I know they were located near Schloss Charlottenburg. I believe the area was heavily bombed during the war and I do not know where the division line between British and Soviet zones were. I've e-mailed the Berlin Tourist board, but have yet to hear from them. I'm hoping some locals might have better intel. Danke.
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 04:01 AM UTC
The Schloss Charlottenburg is in the part of Berlin that was earlier the West Berlin.
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottenburg_Palace
has a map.
They seem to have had more than one site making beer but after the war it was like this:
"1949, an der einzigen im Westen verbliebenen Braustätte von Engelhardt, wurden Gärkeller, Lagerkeller, Flaschenkeller, Wirtschaftsgebäude und ein Kesselhaus neu aufgebaut. "
They built new facilities on the only site left in the west in 1949. I assume that this means that they started operating again in 1949/1950
If I understood this page correctly:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_deutschen_Kfz-Kennzeichen_(historisch)#Deutschland_1945%E2%80%931956
the letters in West Berlin were KB in the period from 1947 to 1956 (Berlin in 1947 and West Berlin from 1948 ..)
So if we assume that they started brewing again in 1950 their trucks should have had KB on the licence plates.
But I could be wrong, not being a Berliner
/ Robin
A Berliner can also be:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurst_(Berlin)
I leave the translation to you, you can always ask Google Translate about it
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlottenburg_Palace
has a map.
They seem to have had more than one site making beer but after the war it was like this:
"1949, an der einzigen im Westen verbliebenen Braustätte von Engelhardt, wurden Gärkeller, Lagerkeller, Flaschenkeller, Wirtschaftsgebäude und ein Kesselhaus neu aufgebaut. "
They built new facilities on the only site left in the west in 1949. I assume that this means that they started operating again in 1949/1950
If I understood this page correctly:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_deutschen_Kfz-Kennzeichen_(historisch)#Deutschland_1945%E2%80%931956
the letters in West Berlin were KB in the period from 1947 to 1956 (Berlin in 1947 and West Berlin from 1948 ..)
So if we assume that they started brewing again in 1950 their trucks should have had KB on the licence plates.
But I could be wrong, not being a Berliner
/ Robin
A Berliner can also be:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurst_(Berlin)
I leave the translation to you, you can always ask Google Translate about it
b2nhvi
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 05:33 AM UTC
Ah, Yes. Kennedy's famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" faux pas. The way he pronounced it he said he was a sausage. Yes the post war Berlin tags were KB and oddly enough they were white with black markings. (the rest of West Germany had black plates with white markings. ) I was aware their operations were spread out ... I saw something about one of their buildings ... bottle making tower(?) ... still exists and is now a bunch of high end boutiques and such. Was confused about where they were in regards to the border. I saw something about them making non alcoholic beer for the east. ("We'll teach those Communists!)
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 05:42 AM UTC
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Ah, Yes. Kennedy's famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" faux pas. The way he pronounced it he said he was a sausage. Yes the post war Berlin tags were KB and oddly enough they were white with black markings. (the rest of West Germany had black plates with white markings. ) I was aware their operations were spread out ... I saw something about one of their buildings ... bottle making tower(?) ... still exists and is now a bunch of high end boutiques and such. Was confused about where they were in regards to the border. I saw something about them making non alcoholic beer for the east. ("We'll teach those Communists!)
No, actually, most people take it mean Pfannkuchen, not sausage, but even Pfannkuchen isn't really a jelly doughnut. It just makes for a better story.
What he said was not really incorrect. If you're a Berlin native, du bist Berliner. If you moved there from someplace else, du bist EIN Berliner.
I'm was a Berliner by choice. Like we say in Texas, I wasn't born here, but I got here as fast as I could. Plates from my time began with B by te way.
Da kieksta, wa?
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 06:30 AM UTC
From what I know from 45 to 53 the plates were regulated by the Allie powers. After 53 the BRD regulated the plates in the west using a totally new system. This is a list of early post war plates.http://www.dr-herzfeld.de/kennzeichengeschichte/nachkrieg.htm