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Anyone know of a 1/35 scale American 90mm AAA
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 06:31 PM UTC
gun available ? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 06:44 PM UTC

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gun available ? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Jerry,

Commander Models do one - or did; I can't seem to access their site for the moment but here's a review from around 2012:

http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/usa/commander1062reviewcs_1.html

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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 08:08 PM UTC
There's the old Adams/Lifelike 1/40 issue, and Renwal had the "Skysweeper" kit out in 1/32 scale, but other than those two, I don't think any mainstream styrene kits have ever been released. Those two kits were primarily post-war 90mm versions. This is an area that sorely needs a new kit, especially since 90mm guns did double duty as anti-tank weapons during the Battle of the Bulge.
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 08:26 PM UTC

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Those two kits were primarily post-war 90mm versions.



AFAIK, the M51 Skysweeper is a 75 mm gun.

H.P.
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 08:36 PM UTC

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Those two kits were primarily post-war 90mm versions.



AFAIK, the M51 Skysweeper is a 75 mm gun.

H.P.



Frenchy, yep you're right. It was 75mm. I was thinking it was the same kit as the Adams 1/40 but it's not. This is an entire area where we are missing a bunch of AA equipment in 1/35 scale. Maybe somebody will finally produce one instead of another Tiger tank.
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 08:50 PM UTC
The 1/40 kit is an M1 120mm gun.

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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 09:03 PM UTC

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gun available ? Inquiring minds want to know.
J



Jerry,

Commander Models do one - or did; I can't seem to access their site for the moment but here's a review from around 2012:

http://www.missing-lynx.com/reviews/usa/commander1062reviewcs_1.html

Brian



I would not buy one of these without a thorough examination of the kit first. I was set to buy one several years ago but after going through three plus kits on the manufacturer's table and noticing multiple short shots, bubbles, and broken parts I realized that short of sitting down and cherry-picking good parts from several boxes I wasn't going to get a whole model. Perhaps their molding process has improved since then, but I would not buy one sight unseen. (In truth, there are very few resin kits where this proviso doesn't apply.) I would also seek out someone who has completed the kit to see what they thought, because most kits looks great in the box . . .

KL

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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 09:19 PM UTC
Thanks to all who responded . And so briskly as well ! I appreciate the help. So the general consensus seems to be I am SOL on this one. Ah well,it was worth a shot. But yes,maybe instead of doing the dozenth new Tiger release Dragon could release one ?
I am fully aware of the need to sell things folks want to buy but this may be worth them looking in to ?
J
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 09:23 PM UTC
Kurt,

As you point out caveat emptor always applies with resin; that said, I obtained their MBT 70 and it was pretty good. A lifting lug or two presumably damaged in transit but overall, good, crisp mouldings and details.

However, sound advice!

Brian
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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 09:47 PM UTC

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Thanks to all who responded . And so briskly as well ! I appreciate the help. So the general consensus seems to be I am SOL on this one. Ah well,it was worth a shot. But yes,maybe instead of doing the dozenth new Tiger release Dragon could release one ?
I am fully aware of the need to sell things folks want to buy but this may be worth them looking in to ?
J



Dragon??!!?? You have got to be kidding!
They would probably assign it to the Black Death crew and we would end up with something less buildable and a lot less correct than that Commanders model.

With some luck Trumpeter/HobbyBoss or Bronco might decide to do one of these.

I think/believe that the molding quality at Commanders has improved a bit but I could be wrong. Their website is back in service again: http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/90mm.html

/ Robin

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Posted: Sunday, March 25, 2018 - 10:41 PM UTC

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Thanks to all who responded . And so briskly as well ! I appreciate the help. So the general consensus seems to be I am SOL on this one. Ah well,it was worth a shot. But yes,maybe instead of doing the dozenth new Tiger release Dragon could release one ?
I am fully aware of the need to sell things folks want to buy but this may be worth them looking in to ?
J



Dragon??!!?? You have got to be kidding!
They would probably assign it to the Black Death crew and we would end up with something less buildable and a lot less correct than that Commanders model.

With some luck Trumpeter/HobbyBoss or Bronco might decide to do one of these.

I think/believe that the molding quality at Commanders has improved a bit but I could be wrong. Their website is back in service again: http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/90mm.html

/ Robin




80bucks plus shipping is more than I am willing to fork over for a project that I have in mind. I am very happy with the over-all output of Dragon over the years but then again,I am not one to demand a "perfect" out of the box build. That doesn't interest me as much. I actually prefer the old days when all I required was a good basic shape to which I would add the amount of detail I wanted to fit whatever project I had in mind.
While I agree it is hit and miss with Dragon sometimes with the figure kits I usually buy,I wouldn't just assume a new kit by them will be "unbuildable". I am very happy with the way Dragon has dramatically expanded the options for vehicles and figures over the years. We stand at a place that is a far cry from when I began armor modeling back in the day and that is largely due to the Serpent.
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Dragon??!!?? You have got to be kidding!
They would probably assign it to the Black Death crew and we would end up with something less buildable and a lot less correct than that Commanders model.



On the contrary, my recollection of the various Black Label kit reviews was that they were well engineered and assembled nicely. They may deviate wildly from the shape of the tank they claim to represent, but they fit well . . .



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I think/believe that the molding quality at Commanders has improved a bit but I could be wrong. Their website is back in service again: http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/90mm.html



Look at the this photo of one of the parts trees:



and notice the tip of the first outrigger leg. The kits I saw had defects like that in multiple places. This is what you need to look for in checking resin kits. I can understand and deal with a few small bubbles but this is unusable. There are plenty of companies producing resin parts and assemblies with excellent molding quality so one can't just dismiss this as "That's what you get with resin."

(I don't know what to think of them choosing this image to make you want to buy their product. Was this the best of the batch? It would also help sell the product if they showed a built kit, not the master pieces put together.)

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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 06:07 PM UTC

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Dragon??!!?? You have got to be kidding!
They would probably assign it to the Black Death crew and we would end up with something less buildable and a lot less correct than that Commanders model.



On the contrary, my recollection of the various Black Label kit reviews was that they were well engineered and assembled nicely. They may deviate wildly from the shape of the tank they claim to represent, but they fit well . . .



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I think/believe that the molding quality at Commanders has improved a bit but I could be wrong. Their website is back in service again: http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/90mm.html



Look at the this photo of one of the parts trees:



and notice the tip of the first outrigger leg. The kits I saw had defects like that in multiple places. This is what you need to look for in checking resin kits. I can understand and deal with a few small bubbles but this is unusable. There are plenty of companies producing resin parts and assemblies with excellent molding quality so one can't just dismiss this as "That's what you get with resin."

(I don't know what to think of them choosing this image to make you want to buy their product. Was this the best of the batch? It would also help sell the product if they showed a built kit, not the master pieces put together.)

KL




Thanks for posting buddy !
I could fix that no problem so that wouldn't be an issue. The thing is the gun would only be a part of a dio and so I am not willing to invest the time and money to build this kit. I was hoping for an easy and less expensive solution. If this gun was one I just had to build then sure,I would buy this.
Hope I am making sense ?
J
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Dragon??!!?? You have got to be kidding!
They would probably assign it to the Black Death crew and we would end up with something less buildable and a lot less correct than that Commanders model.



On the contrary, my recollection of the various Black Label kit reviews was that they were well engineered and assembled nicely. They may deviate wildly from the shape of the tank they claim to represent, but they fit well . . .



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I think/believe that the molding quality at Commanders has improved a bit but I could be wrong. Their website is back in service again: http://ironshipwrights.com/armor/90mm.html



Look at the this photo of one of the parts trees:



and notice the tip of the first outrigger leg. The kits I saw had defects like that in multiple places. This is what you need to look for in checking resin kits. I can understand and deal with a few small bubbles but this is unusable. There are plenty of companies producing resin parts and assemblies with excellent molding quality so one can't just dismiss this as "That's what you get with resin."

(I don't know what to think of them choosing this image to make you want to buy their product. Was this the best of the batch? It would also help sell the product if they showed a built kit, not the master pieces put together.)

KL




Thanks for posting buddy !
I could fix that no problem so that wouldn't be an issue. The thing is the gun would only be a part of a dio and so I am not willing to invest the time and money to build this kit. I was hoping for an easy and less expensive solution. If this gun was one I just had to build then sure,I would buy this.
Hope I am making sense ?
J



Of course you are making sense
Handing over 80 bucks + shipping to buy extra work in restoring defective parts is a bitter pill to swallow.
I keep holding off on buying this in the hope that one of the plastic kit companies will release one.
They have some other stuff that I desire but have been hesitating to buy. Oh well, there are plenty of other kits to build
/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 07:33 PM UTC
Jerry,

There is a 90mm M1A1 AAA gun outside the National Electronics Museum in Linthicum, MD; if that's close to you would provide photo op and measuring, in addition to several other types at Ft. Sill, NY, GA, and various Canadian locations. Maybe if you ask fellow modelers to take and post photos of guns near them, they'll do so?

If no aftermarket barrels are available, you might be able to use an M36 or Pershing kit's 90mm for barrel and basic breech. I don't know if a 105mm arty wheels or arms would work?

I'm in MI, and haven't found one near me, but will keep looking.

Good luck!

Mac

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Handing over 80 bucks + shipping to buy extra work in restoring defective parts is a bitter pill to swallow.



Yeah, I have gladly spent and would gladly spend significant effort detailing, improving, or accurizing a kit but I am unwilling to spend time repairing manufacturing defects in the kit itself.

KL
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On the contrary, my recollection of the various Black Label kit reviews was that they were well engineered and assembled nicely. They may deviate wildly from the shape of the tank they claim to represent, but they fit well . . .
KL



FWIW, The BL T28 and Conqueror that I've built were OK but had some significant fit issues along the way. The only Commander's Model I have is the T23 and is sitting half built (I'm waiting until I can get down to a survivor to photograph before completing). The molding and fit are generally pretty good. A fair amount of warpage in long/skinny parts but nothing that hot water immersion can't fix.
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90mm AAA showing as In Stock and Available immediately from Commander Models.

Commanders will replace ANY damaged/mis-molded part free of charge - no questions asked. I know it is frustrating but - stuff happens.


Company web site viewable at:

http://ironshipwrights.com/armor_welcome.html
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90mm AAA showing as In Stock and Available immediately from Commander Models.

Commanders will replace ANY damaged/mis-molded part free of charge - no questions asked. I know it is frustrating but - stuff happens.


Company web site viewable at:

http://ironshipwrights.com/armor_welcome.html



Just to reiterate, the MBT 70 I purchased some years ago was a cracking kit; any damage/blemishes were nothing I couldn't fix. Details and overall standard was very good, and of course, at the time of purchase it was the only game in town (Dragon hadn't done theirs - which we all know is the German version anyhow).

The fact I haven't completed mine is down to the fact I am undecided as to how to finish it and was toying with "what might have been" finishes.

It is of course the only Commander Models kit I have, but I like their stuff and their attitude.

If the 90mm is the only option then I would advise go for it; that said, I am aware that economics always have an impact!
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 - 04:59 AM UTC

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Commanders will replace ANY damaged/mis-molded part free of charge - no questions asked. I know it is frustrating but - stuff happens.



In fact, they were even willing to let me paw through the boxes on their table and fill out a kit with good parts. After three boxes and finding (not only) the same bad part in every box but new, different bad parts, I realized that I would have to find a table, lay out each piece, check it over, and - hopefully - find a replacement for the bad ones. [auto-censored] that. Why am I doing their quality control? To me,"stuff happens" covers parts broken in shipment or a void that opens up when you remove the pour plug. Are you really going to tell me that you would write off a clearly visible mismold like in the picture above as something unavoidable, something that the company couldn't have seen and kept from getting to the customer in the first place? Bullfuckingshit.

You know, if that was the state of the art in 2018, you might not complain. It isn't. I bought major conversion kits from Chesapeake Model Designs in the 1990s that were fantastic. I bought a complete 1/350 submarine kit from a Japanese company in 2000 that was absolutely perfect and didn't even have any pour plugs. I bought stuff from Rob Ervin's Formations models ten years ago that was flawless (*). You can't say that nobody can do better than what's in that picture. Not in 1995 and not now.

I haven't seen a Commander's kit in at least three years. Maybe they have gotten dramatically better. But if they did, why are they still showing such awful parts on the site intended to put them in the best possible light and sell their product? If they have something better to show, why aren't they showing it?

(*) Rob had an exacting view of quality control. He sold a set of pioneer tools that was a resin plate with about ten different 1/35 pry bars, shovels, axes, and whatnot. One time Rob mentioned that he would send me some of his scrap pieces and maybe I could salvage a piece or two off them. I got five blocks in the mail with the bad pieces circled. One or at most two tools was broken or mismolded on each block but he binned the whole plate. On two of them I had to get my Optivsor out to see what he had found rejectable: On one a minute corner of a bracket had chipped off, and on the other there was a tiny, subsurface bubble in one piece that wasn't a problem but that he had apparently thought was just too close to breaking through to risk worrying about. I'm sure he found that taking the time to sort his parts was quicker and cheaper than having to deal with replacements and people complaining on the internet.

KL
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 - 05:10 AM UTC
Thanks again Gents for the copious amount of advice and intel. I still think it's too big an issue to deal with for a gun that will just be a background part of a dio though.
J
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Perhaps a Redleg could cast an eye over the various Russian WW2 85MM or therabouts AAA's from Trumpeter?

I thought one of them had a similar folding mesh base.
Perhaps they could form the basis of a conversion? Russian or US AAA isn't my powder charge bag
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The one thing that is worth noting for Commander's is that they are very forgiving for beginners with resin. Their policy is free replacement of parts both because of imperfections but also due to screw-ups from the modeller (I got some replacements for parts I screwed up on the T23. I left the M7 kit my wife bought me on the radiator (well, my five year old did. . . ) and they probably would have replaced the whole bloody kit!). It also helps that they are less expensive; Accurate Armor has a flawless British 3.7" counterpart that is also twice as expensive.
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