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German Dachs in Afghanistan ?
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Posted: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 - 08:47 PM UTC
Now when PSM come out with the German Leopard Dachs i wounder if Germany used the Dachs in Afghanistan? If so is it A1 or A2 version? I assume it's the A2 version.. Does anyone know a picture of them in Afghanistan ? I have search but not find any yet... What colour are they painted in ? Dessert colour like the Panzerhaubitze 2000 , desert yellow and green ? Or Nato colours ?

Thankful for any help.. Have a fine easter holiday
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Posted: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 - 08:56 PM UTC

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Does anyone know a picture of them in Afghanistan ? I have search but not find any yet...


Here's one :



another one :



Here you can see at least 3 of them in Trabzon harbor (Turkey) on their way back to Germany :



full size



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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 04:15 AM UTC
Yes...as was provided in an answer to your question a week ago...

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/267526#2262116

Pick up the Tankograd GECON-ISAF book as it has some pics of the Dachs 2A1 in Afghanistan.

https://www.tankograd.com/cms/website.php?id=/en/GECON-ISAF-Wuestentarnung.htm

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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 04:57 AM UTC
It would make for a fantastic plastic kit.... anyone?
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 05:54 AM UTC
Hi Jason!
Just cant help wondering...wats the difference between a1 and a2.
I googled, didnt find much information...
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 07:05 AM UTC

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Hi Jason!
Just cant help wondering...wats the difference between a1 and a2.
I googled, didnt find much information...


If you look at the hull sides you can tell the difference. Traditionally mounted tools in brackets on the A1 while the A2 uses storage bins for the majority of the externally mounted items.
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 11:34 AM UTC

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Hi Jason!
Just cant help wondering...wats the difference between a1 and a2.
I googled, didnt find much information...


If you look at the hull sides you can tell the difference. Traditionally mounted tools in brackets on the A1 while the A2 uses storage bins for the majority of the externally mounted items.


Thanks, Jason!
But those with storage bins are designated PiPz A1 Dachs...
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 01:09 PM UTC
Many thanks guys
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 02:28 PM UTC
Two pics from the Tankograd book :



(from Olivier Carneau's review )

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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 07:30 PM UTC

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Hi Jason!
Just cant help wondering...wats the difference between a1 and a2.
I googled, didnt find much information...


If you look at the hull sides you can tell the difference. Traditionally mounted tools in brackets on the A1 while the A2 uses storage bins for the majority of the externally mounted items.


Thanks, Jason!
But those with storage bins are designated PiPz A1 Dachs...


I see your point. The original production Dachs is designated as the Pionierpanzer 2A1 Dachs.

The question then would be did the variant designation change when the upgrades, such as the external bins, were added.

Did the designation change to 2A2 or simply remain as 2A1 after the upgrades?

In the Tankograd book on Modern German Army Armoured Engineer Vehicles (published in 2005) the designation for the basic production Dachs is 2A1. In the Tankograd GECON-ISAF book (published in 2011) the designation of the upgraded Dachs is still listed as 2A1.

Perhaps the designations were not changed or maybe they were changed or maybe further upgrades have been done to get the 2A2 designation.
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Posted: Friday, March 30, 2018 - 09:44 AM UTC
Thanks again, Jason, much appreciated!
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