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US vs China
Biggles2
Joined: January 01, 2004
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 03:38 AM UTC
So...kits from Chinese manufacturers 25% more expensive??
wildbill426
Joined: December 08, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 03:45 AM UTC
I've been wondering the same thing. I'm hoping the market is small enough that it won't be on the list of targeted goods. Most of the kits I've built recently are molded in China, be it armor, airplanes or cars. Does anyone know if we are on the list of the damned? If so, I'd start being sure that the stash is full to overflowing. Oh wait, mine is already! Let the boys fight....
knewton
Joined: June 19, 2013
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 03:49 AM UTC
The purpose of the traffif would be to protect domestic industry. Is there a large manufacturing base for models in the host country? If not, it is unlikely that kitsets will be targeted. But then again, this is about politians and not models. So anything’s goes.
jasperck
Joined: December 14, 2010
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 03:51 AM UTC
bots1141
Joined: October 14, 2013
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 04:16 AM UTC
I didn't see anything specific to plastic models but they might get us under 93011000 Artillery weapons (for example, guns, howitzers, and mortars)!!! 
Full list here
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Releases/301FRN.pdf
Full list here
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Releases/301FRN.pdf
Trisaw
Joined: December 24, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 04:44 AM UTC
Since most of us buy direct from online hobby shops in Hong Kong and China anyway (and other vendors overseas) and not direct from a local hobby shop that imports them, would these new trade tariffs even matter?
Would an online Hong Kong hobby shop charge more for one specific country with trade tariffs and their currency to buy kits than say from every other country and their currency? That doesn't sound like good business practices...singling out one country just for more money at a higher price.
Would an online Hong Kong hobby shop charge more for one specific country with trade tariffs and their currency to buy kits than say from every other country and their currency? That doesn't sound like good business practices...singling out one country just for more money at a higher price.
Tojo72
Joined: June 06, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 04:56 AM UTC
While it may happen,Some say it’s all posturing for negotiating,neither country really wants a trade war,just looking for better deals.I guess we will have to see.
guni-kid
Joined: July 21, 2007
KitMaker: 521 posts
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 02:03 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Since most of us buy direct from online hobby shops in Hong Kong and China anyway (and other vendors overseas) and not direct from a local hobby shop that imports them, would these new trade tariffs even matter?
Would an online Hong Kong hobby shop charge more for one specific country with trade tariffs and their currency to buy kits than say from every other country and their currency? That doesn't sound like good business practices...singling out one country just for more money at a higher price.
No, the hobbyshop in China wouldn't charge more, but the kit would have to clear customs when arriving in the US (coming from China the customs guys would have a second look, I guess) and then you would have to pay the tariffs if you want to receive your model...
retiredyank
Joined: June 29, 2009
KitMaker: 11,610 posts
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 05:32 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextSince most of us buy direct from online hobby shops in Hong Kong and China anyway (and other vendors overseas) and not direct from a local hobby shop that imports them, would these new trade tariffs even matter?
Would an online Hong Kong hobby shop charge more for one specific country with trade tariffs and their currency to buy kits than say from every other country and their currency? That doesn't sound like good business practices...singling out one country just for more money at a higher price.
No, the hobbyshop in China wouldn't charge more, but the kit would have to clear customs when arriving in the US (coming from China the customs guys would have a second look, I guess) and then you would have to pay the tariffs if you want to receive your model...
Would it not qualify for a low-value invoice?
Biggles2
Joined: January 01, 2004
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 07:09 PM UTC
Quoted Text
We're safe:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/04/the-full-list-of-us-products-that-china-is-planning-to-hit-with-tariffs.html
That's a list of US to China imports that China may put tariffs on - not China to US. Is there still any large-scale (as opposed to garage industry) plastics industry at all in US that produce model kits? Maybe Trump should look into that and make (United States of) America great again.
vettejack
Joined: November 23, 2012
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 07:14 PM UTC
Doing one kit a month would still take me 10 years to go through the stash...without ever buying another. I'm sure things will work out by then. 
d6mst0
#453
Joined: August 28, 2016
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 07:18 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I didn't see anything specific to plastic models but they might get us under 93011000 Artillery weapons (for example, guns, howitzers, and mortars)!!!
Full list here
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/files/Press/Releases/301FRN.pdf
Darn, I better get that flamethrower ordered.
RobinNilsson
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Joined: November 29, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 - 07:21 PM UTC
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Doing one kit a month would still take me 10 years to go through the stash...without ever buying another. I'm sure things will work out by then.
Less than 7 years left, at the worst
Biggles2
Joined: January 01, 2004
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2018 - 03:30 AM UTC
Start building up your stashes for WWlll - need to do something during those long days and nights in a bomb shelter! 
PzDave
Joined: November 28, 2012
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2018 - 04:14 AM UTC
WELL Said
panzerbob01
Joined: March 06, 2010
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2018 - 04:20 AM UTC
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Doing one kit a month would still take me 10 years to go through the stash...without ever buying another. I'm sure things will work out by then.
One per month? Guess I'm "good" to at least 2130! Now, getting a bit more realistic about how fast I actually get kits done... let's say... Perhaps "good" to around 2700 AD or so!
knewton
Joined: June 19, 2013
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Posted: Thursday, April 05, 2018 - 05:07 AM UTC
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Guess I'm "good" to at least 2130! Now, getting a bit more realistic about how fast I actually get kits done...
9:30 tonight? That ain’t much of a stash 😀
Invincible
Joined: May 03, 2017
KitMaker: 148 posts
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Posted: Saturday, April 07, 2018 - 12:26 AM UTC
Well if it's a nuclear war the radiation might get me that third hand I always find myself needing
armouredcharmer
Joined: June 09, 2009
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Posted: Sunday, April 08, 2018 - 11:49 PM UTC
Extra tariffs for stuff coming from china - My friends, WELCOME TO THE UNITED KINGDOM!
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