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M113 question
Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 03:28 AM UTC
Were M113's generally called "Gavin's"? Presumably after WWll Airborne General Gavin. I read only one reference to M113's Gavin.
white4doc
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 03:44 AM UTC
Only one person referred to them as such, he has an obsession with renaming the vehicle and sees it as the solution to all the Army's needs.
Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 03:56 AM UTC
Who is that? In the attached text the name "Gavin" for M113's is used frequently:
http://www.combatreform.org/thunderrun.htm
http://www.combatreform.org/thunderrun.htm
jrutman
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 04:48 AM UTC
I was in 113 s for about 10 years and we only called them "tracks". Never anything else. Ever.
J
J
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 06:39 AM UTC
The wacko who owns Combat Reform has pushed for the name for years and thinks the M113 is the greatest vehicle ever built and the answer to any problem that you can come up with. No one else calls it the Gavin.
Kenaicop
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 07:50 AM UTC
Awww crap, he said the “G” word! 
Headhunter506
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 09:07 AM UTC
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I was in 113 s for about 10 years and we only called them "tracks". Never anything else. Ever.
J
I spent almost five in them. We called them lots of things, none of which should be used around children and nuns.
lmvanvleet
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 09:54 AM UTC
Tracks.
Kevlar06
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 10:01 AM UTC
It doesn't make sense that an armored vehicle would be named after an Airborne commander either. I spent 30 years in the Army and never heard anyone call it "the Gavin".
VR, Russ
VR, Russ
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 10:05 AM UTC
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the M113 is the greatest vehicle ever built and the answer to any problem that you can come up with.
Some food for thougth :
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mike-sparks-sparky-jamesbondisreal-dynmicpara.28100/
H.P.
Epi
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 10:48 AM UTC
I 2nd that about the nut head who wants to change the name to "GAVIN!"
As for the sight that you mentioned that talks about "Thunder Run. There are several guys here on Armorama, to include myself, HeavyArty(Gino), Robert Burik, Brent Sauer, Jim Lewis, John Charvat, Curt Basner, Lawrence Goh, and others, who are in constant contact with many of the brave men who where there on that day of "Thunder Run." Any of them and all us older Vet's will say that "Gavin" is no way, no how, nor will every be called "Gavin."
As for the sight that you mentioned that talks about "Thunder Run. There are several guys here on Armorama, to include myself, HeavyArty(Gino), Robert Burik, Brent Sauer, Jim Lewis, John Charvat, Curt Basner, Lawrence Goh, and others, who are in constant contact with many of the brave men who where there on that day of "Thunder Run." Any of them and all us older Vet's will say that "Gavin" is no way, no how, nor will every be called "Gavin."
jrutman
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 06:40 PM UTC
Hahahahahahaaaaaaa Frenchie comes through again,but this time with the perfect meme.
J
J
white4doc
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 06:51 PM UTC
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Who is that? In the attached text the name "Gavin" for M113's is used frequently:
http://www.combatreform.org/thunderrun.htm
That site is run by the individual with the obsession, we don't invoke the name lest he make an appearance. The -113 has been called a lot of things over the years, but Gavin is definitely not one of them.
Tankrider
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 06:53 PM UTC
Mike Sparks strikes another innocent down with his quest for renaming the M113 to the Gavin... We called it either a One-One-Three or a PC, never a Em One-Thirteen. I do find Mikey's ranting somewhat humorous that this "renaming" persists as the M113 enters the twilight of its career with the US Army.
Oh well...
John
Oh well...
John
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 07:04 PM UTC
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Hahahahahahaaaaaaa Frenchie comes through again,but this time with the perfect meme.
J
The meme is not mine, it's from the thread linked just below it
H.P.
Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 07:27 PM UTC
Right! So "Tracks" it is. I wasn't sure how seriously to take this guy as sometimes his narrative had a decidedly hostile tone, and at other times, sarcastic...hmmm, sounds like me!
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 07:54 PM UTC
Just for the fun of it:
I Googled M113 Gavin and found a s**t-load of Youtube clips by a few different users. I took the opportunity to add a comment to many of them that Gavin never ever was/is/will be a name for the M113.
I hope I didn't upset the person who uploaded those videos to Youtube ...
He was even selling coffee mugs and pins connecting M113 and Gavin.
/ Robin
I Googled M113 Gavin and found a s**t-load of Youtube clips by a few different users. I took the opportunity to add a comment to many of them that Gavin never ever was/is/will be a name for the M113.
I hope I didn't upset the person who uploaded those videos to Youtube ...
He was even selling coffee mugs and pins connecting M113 and Gavin.
/ Robin
Kenaicop
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 08:03 PM UTC
Me on my track, one one three, Gavin, pc, damn, I'm so confused...
Back in the day, HHT 1/3 ACR, Ft. Bliss TX.
Back in the day, HHT 1/3 ACR, Ft. Bliss TX.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 08:08 PM UTC
Looks like a comfortable seat 
Kenaicop
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 08:20 PM UTC
Those were great days, young and dumb and full of, ummm, beer, yeah, beer, lots of beer! And El Paso had the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen! 
Kevlar06
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 08:25 PM UTC
Hmmmm.....putting 2 & 2 together here and coming up with "8". Let's see-- 2nd Lt + 1Lt + NCO + enlisted soldier + Marine + Airborne + US Army Reserve + M113 expert= ? Sorry, but my math keeps coming up with 8--- Section 8. Awful young looking too for "30 years of experience". 😂
VR, Russ
VR, Russ
Bravo1102
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 08:50 PM UTC
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Hmmmm.....putting 2 & 2 together here and coming up with "8". Let's see-- 2nd Lt + 1Lt + NCO + enlisted soldier + Marine + Airborne + US Army Reserve + M113 expert= ? Sorry, but my math keeps coming up with 8--- Section 8. Awful young looking too for "30 years of experience". D
VR, Russ
Two cubed is 8 as in 2 x2 x2. So mathematically it does come up 8.
PC, 1-1-3, track, poppa charlie. I heard PC so much referring to 113's that whenever anyone mentions PC as personal computer my first thought is still of an M113.
salt6
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Posted: Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 05:33 AM UTC
Some fun On the DMZ with one of our traks.
ColinAlex
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Posted: Saturday, April 28, 2018 - 10:32 AM UTC
I've never heard of this "Gavin" name before. Lucky, I guess. In Canadian use, they were frequently referred to as a "one one three" or a "carrier".
mogdude
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Posted: Sunday, April 29, 2018 - 03:57 AM UTC
looks like an IDF Hind !!
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