It has been a while since the initial kit from Sabre Model. From its railway series, comes the second kit, a model of a German covered wagon.
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Sabre Model: Gedeckter Güterwagen G10
tatbaqui
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 10:06 AM UTC
It has been a while since the initial kit from Sabre Model. From its railway series, comes the second kit, a model of a German covered wagon.
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If you have comments or questions please post them here.
Thanks!
ivanhoe6
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 05:04 PM UTC
Real nice ! A welcome & much needed subject. There will be one in my future.
Tat, it says 3 markings but only shows 2 Deutsche Reichsbahn markings. Could the 3rd hopefully be a Deutsche Bahn, DB ? Hope so !
Thanks for the heads up !
Tat, it says 3 markings but only shows 2 Deutsche Reichsbahn markings. Could the 3rd hopefully be a Deutsche Bahn, DB ? Hope so !
Thanks for the heads up !
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 05:13 PM UTC
First built in 1910, served in both wars, in total around 120000 were built, was in operation for 80 years (i.e. could be used up until 1970 so a beaten up G10 could theoretically be seen close to a Leopard 1).
News article from Kölner Stadt Anzeiger (Cologne) about one in the Industriebahnmuseum: https://www.ksta.de/koeln/-industriebahnmuseum-waggon-mit-geschichte-1926356
Pictures from the restoration of one of them:
http://www.historische-hafenbahn.de/fahrzeuge/wagen/g-wg-g-10.html
Starts with a graffiti covered "wreck" and ends with pristine condition.
Diorama possibilities from 1910 to 1970.
Transported everything, including civilians, prisoners and soldiers ...
I would assume that some of all those waggons finished their days in the GDR (East Germany, DDR).
/ Robin
News article from Kölner Stadt Anzeiger (Cologne) about one in the Industriebahnmuseum: https://www.ksta.de/koeln/-industriebahnmuseum-waggon-mit-geschichte-1926356
Pictures from the restoration of one of them:
http://www.historische-hafenbahn.de/fahrzeuge/wagen/g-wg-g-10.html
Starts with a graffiti covered "wreck" and ends with pristine condition.
Diorama possibilities from 1910 to 1970.
Transported everything, including civilians, prisoners and soldiers ...
I would assume that some of all those waggons finished their days in the GDR (East Germany, DDR).
/ Robin
JavierDeLuelmo
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 05:52 PM UTC
Great news and great to know they listen to suggestions... 
"I would assume that some of all those waggons finished their days in the GDR (East Germany, DDR).
/ Robin"
In fact, after WW2 there G10 wagons scattered all across Europe, from Norway to Greece, from France to Russia, many having a quite long life afterwards.
"I would assume that some of all those waggons finished their days in the GDR (East Germany, DDR).
/ Robin"
In fact, after WW2 there G10 wagons scattered all across Europe, from Norway to Greece, from France to Russia, many having a quite long life afterwards.
tatbaqui
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 06:00 PM UTC
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Real nice ! A welcome & much needed subject. There will be one in my future.
Tat, it says 3 markings but only shows 2 Deutsche Reichsbahn markings. Could the 3rd hopefully be a Deutsche Bahn, DB ? Hope so !
Thanks for the heads up !
Cheers @ivanhoe6. I've sent them a note on the decals. Let's see what they come back with. Tat
Blaubar
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 06:53 PM UTC
Awesome news, especially since the IRONSIDE wagon is garbage... It will be nice having this one and the Thunder model wagons, for cmparison. What an amazing time with all those train models coming up.
ilfil62
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 09:51 PM UTC
The model is good in general but regretfully they've missed some fundamental marking rules of Deutsche Reichsbahn.
Blaubar
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 11:16 PM UTC
... Not necessarily...
Depending on the year of construction and additionally the date of the last painting (pre or post 1942) the shown markings could actually be fine...
Gattungsbezeichnung, Gattungsbezeichnung, Wagon number and DR .... more was mostly not added post 1942... as to the GBz... Stettin might be changed to Kassel/München if the prodiction was a Verbandsbauart... After seeing all decals, further discussions may be reasonable, but there is not enough input yet, as to your claims regarding their nomenclature imho.
Depending on the year of construction and additionally the date of the last painting (pre or post 1942) the shown markings could actually be fine...
Gattungsbezeichnung, Gattungsbezeichnung, Wagon number and DR .... more was mostly not added post 1942... as to the GBz... Stettin might be changed to Kassel/München if the prodiction was a Verbandsbauart... After seeing all decals, further discussions may be reasonable, but there is not enough input yet, as to your claims regarding their nomenclature imho.
ivanhoe6
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Posted: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - 11:47 PM UTC
Thanks Tata for checking with Sabre about the 3rd set of markings.
ilfil62
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Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 02:36 AM UTC
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... Not necessarily...
Depending on the year of construction and additionally the date of the last painting (pre or post 1942) the shown markings could actually be fine...
Gattungsbezeichnung, Gattungsbezeichnung, Wagon number and DR .... more was mostly not added post 1942... as to the GBz... Stettin might be changed to Kassel/München if the prodiction was a Verbandsbauart... After seeing all decals, further discussions may be reasonable, but there is not enough input yet, as to your claims regarding their nomenclature imho.
Do you really think so?
Then I'll dare to recommend you this book:
https://shop.vgbahn.info/miba/shop/anstrich+und+bezeichnung+von+g%C3%BCter-+und+dienstwagen-_3493.html
Browse it, look again at the model pictures here and then we can talk again about markings and their placement, fonts, etc. Any period to your wish.
tatbaqui
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Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 02:59 AM UTC
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Thanks Tata for checking with Sabre about the 3rd set of markings.
Here's the response:
...No.3 style just " DR " small change style，please tell hobbyist we will list No.3 style on our website in the future.
tatbaqui
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Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 03:44 AM UTC
All,
They are open to suggestions on improving their products. Drop them a mail, address found at their site.
Cheers,
Tat
They are open to suggestions on improving their products. Drop them a mail, address found at their site.
Cheers,
Tat
Blaubar
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Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 10:07 AM UTC
Thx for the book suggestion, ordered it immediately, I based my stuff on curator info from a Berlin museum.
The stuff on the left (weight and stuff) was never part of my exclamation as at least I can not read what is said there (therefore not worth talking about it), henceforth I am of the opinion to wait and see what the decals look like.
However, if you are so smart, it would be best for you to drop them many lines and explain to them, as they seem to be open to input😉. This would help everyone.
/Prost
The stuff on the left (weight and stuff) was never part of my exclamation as at least I can not read what is said there (therefore not worth talking about it), henceforth I am of the opinion to wait and see what the decals look like.
However, if you are so smart, it would be best for you to drop them many lines and explain to them, as they seem to be open to input😉. This would help everyone.
/Prost
grave_digger
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Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 07:08 PM UTC
Well, good to see this company copied second wagon from my LZ resin kits range, even including decals with a couple small errors in markings I made on purpose 7 years ago to see one day this happening. So while they seem to have simplified or left out detailed under chassis of my resin kit (judging just from the available photos here), the incorrect decal markings has been used without shame.
Thunder Model are going to release their G10 wagon in late May or early June with complete under chassis detail, and while they also use copy of LZ Models resin kit, I need to say I supplied them all references willingly
Thunder Model are going to release their G10 wagon in late May or early June with complete under chassis detail, and while they also use copy of LZ Models resin kit, I need to say I supplied them all references willingly
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - 09:29 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Well, good to see this company copied second wagon from my LZ resin kits range, even including decals with a couple small errors in markings I made on purpose 7 years ago to see one day this happening. So while they seem to have simplified or left out detailed under chassis of my resin kit (judging just from the available photos here), the incorrect decal markings has been used without shame.
Thunder Model are going to release their G10 wagon in late May or early June with complete under chassis detail, and while they also use copy of LZ Models resin kit, I need to say I supplied them all references willingly
Thanks for the information on this.
Introducing small errors often pays off later.
This used to be done in the math-tables/calendars (logarithms??) used for navigational calculations. The faults were in the last decimal so the originator could show that the copyist had made exactly the same mistakes. The errors were so small that they didn't affect the navigation of ships.
/ Robin
weesiep
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Posted: Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 12:39 AM UTC
Sorry to hear this Libor, well, to be copied Some say is the biggest honour. I must say the car does look real good. I hope it doesn’t hurt you too much and look forward to the LZ (and thunder model) releases to come. The little case vai tractor is a beauty!
grave_digger
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Posted: Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 01:11 AM UTC
LZ Models original decals that you can find in Sabre kit now including errors mentioned. Wouter, thank you, but I would rather avoid this kind of honor, honestly. I dont doubt that Thunder Model G10 kits will be better, but it does not make me feel better about being robbed of my intellectual property and hard work
weesiep
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Posted: Thursday, April 26, 2018 - 01:39 AM UTC
It stinks when people steal your work. Little you can do about it, speaking out here on the forum is best thing to do. Hopefully many of us will buy your original work.
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