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bill_c
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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2018 - 05:48 PM UTC
I'm looking at both the Takom and Rye Field Models Panthers with interiors. Anyone have any insight on which is the better kit? I don't want two tanks, and I don't care all that much about A vs. G, other than does someone make Zimmerit for the As?
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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2018 - 06:02 PM UTC
Meng makes zimm for their Panther A.I heard somewhere they may be making an interior set for it also.
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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2018 - 06:12 PM UTC
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/268361&page=1
This is the link for the Takom VS Ryefield Panther discussion. In it is a blog about an inbox review if you have not seen it yet.
This is the link for the Takom VS Ryefield Panther discussion. In it is a blog about an inbox review if you have not seen it yet.
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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2018 - 06:18 PM UTC
Hey Bill,
I just received the RFM Panther kit yesterday from Jim for build/review. I built the engine last night and DAMN!!!!!!! was it a lot of pieces. So far no issues with fit and the detail is awesome.
I just received the RFM Panther kit yesterday from Jim for build/review. I built the engine last night and DAMN!!!!!!! was it a lot of pieces. So far no issues with fit and the detail is awesome.
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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2018 - 09:57 PM UTC
Either kit is very good from what I read. I have the Takom Panther A only because I already have a Dragon Panther G on display.
Please note you will need Zimmerit on your Panther A so select with care
Please note you will need Zimmerit on your Panther A so select with care
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Posted: Monday, May 07, 2018 - 10:18 PM UTC
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Either kit is very good from what I read. I have the Takom Panther A only because I already have a Dragon Panther G on display.
Please note you will need Zimmerit on your Panther A so select with care
I got a response back from ATAK Models and they said they would be doing specific Zimmerit sets for the TAKOM Panthers.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 03:58 AM UTC
Takom announced they would be doing the Late A with interior and zimmerit.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 06:21 AM UTC
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I'm looking at both the Takom and Rye Field Models Panthers with interiors. Anyone have any insight on which is the better kit? I don't want two tanks, and I don't care all that much about A vs. G, other than does someone make Zimmerit for the As?
Andy from Andy's Hobby Headquarters (youtube channel) has done videos of each; they will give you a good idea of the 2 kits.
I personally have decided to go Takom over Rye Field.
Takom has announced the release of a late Ausf. A with zimmerit molded into the plastic for a release some time in "May 2018".
This is the way to go in my opinion.
Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 10:37 AM UTC
Here is a link to the Takom Panther with zimmerit. Give you some pics of the parts.
https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10528035
The RFM kit uses more PE in the kit. So, if you don't like working with PE very much, then go with the Takom kit.
https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10528035
The RFM kit uses more PE in the kit. So, if you don't like working with PE very much, then go with the Takom kit.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 11:19 AM UTC
I bought the Takom early and late Panther A's a week and a half ago. Paid $50 a piece for each one. The late kit can be built as a Command Panther as well. Details look nice, and I like the way they did the interior. The one gripe I had was with the metal cables supplied. They do not look like wire rope as they are twisted way too loose. No big deal, but they could have done better. I'll opt for AM zimmerit on one and may try my luck with a home brew zimmerit
on the other.
No matter what, for $50; it's a bargain!
gary
on the other.
No matter what, for $50; it's a bargain!
gary
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 12:12 PM UTC
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Please note you will need Zimmerit on your Panther A so select with care
No you can build a Takom early A without zimmerit. There were a number of early A's without zimm, I just finished their early A as 'Elna' of Pz Lehr in Normandy:
Having built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Sam
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 04:23 PM UTC
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The late kit can be built as a Command Panther as well.
It has the external parts for a Command Panther, and it has the turret internal radios and transformers, but I believe that the hull is missing all of the internal Command items - such as the extra radio set and the generator.
I'll be happy to be corrected if I am wrong.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 06:35 PM UTC
The zimm on the late A looks great.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 12:52 AM UTC
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Quoted TextThe late kit can be built as a Command Panther as well.
It has the external parts for a Command Panther, and it has the turret internal radios and transformers, but I believe that the hull is missing all of the internal Command items - such as the extra radio set and the generator.
I'll be happy to be corrected if I am wrong.
David
David,
I wondered about that as well, but my lack of knowledge arose as usual. The Panther shown on the box ("N1") is the one that catches my eye. That paint job is just outta this world, but leaves me thinking too much. They look like hard edge camo, and you can't get that over zimmerit very well. Anyway it seems like I've seen after market radios for command tanks somewhere.
thanks for chiming in as always David!
gary
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 12:54 AM UTC
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Please note you will need Zimmerit on your Panther A so select with care
No you can build a Takom early A without zimmerit. There were a number of early A's without zimm, I just finished their early A as 'Elna' of Pz Lehr in Normandy:
Having built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Sam
Sam,
That is one nasty looking kitty! Just looks real
gary
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 01:52 AM UTC
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Having built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Thanks, Sam, but ease of build is not a factor. Best kit for accuracy and detail. The RFM kit seems to have more detail from what I'm hearing, but more parts doesn't always mean a more accurate vehicle. Build ease aside, are you still sold on the Takom?
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 08:27 AM UTC
If you can get Herbert you might get some good advice about accuracy.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 12:01 PM UTC
I'm a youngster and noob, so take it as grain of salt. Also I don't own neither kits, this is just my perspective.
1 - Both companies offer some very wide range of detail options with their kits. Ease of build with the full interior kits like such is very difficult to tell due to the insanely high amount of part count.
2 - Between the Panther A (especially the late A) and the G (especially the early G) have many similarity, could as well say identical. I believe most of people can agree that the G is the A with modified machinery, like having speed limiter and different steering, regardless the exterior. There are very limited information about these interior parts (Im not even sure if there is any photo about that at all). There are plenty of mixed version of the Panther in real life, just like the rest of the German tanks. Therefore, the accuracy for the specific model is not a thing for me.
3 - RFM offer the clear hull and turret (limited edition), which gives you the possibility to observe the interior even after assembled. Many people dislike the fact about interior kit that they could never see at the end. Therefore, this is an unparalleled advantage for interior kit. - But as I see that you are interested specifically to the ones with interior, I don't know if you care about that. Also, clear hull/turret mean no camo nor Zimmerit... RFM will release the normal version soon enough.
4 - From a price point perspective, the Takom ones are all around 50 to 65USD, while RFM limited clear hull is about 70 to 80USD and the normal is estimated to be around 60 to 70USD. So the price is kind of close. Still, for people with concern about budget, Takom is definitely a go.
5 - Takom uses large piece tracks with small track pieces to fill the curve (https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10509800/40/11) - Easy, fast and look good. RFM uses the piece by piece track like they have on their Tiger (https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10510333/40/10, https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10534335/30/1) - Workable track, flexible for extra detail, more customizable, but hard to build and hellish time consuming.
Personally, I wish for the RFM clear hull to complete with my AFV club T-34/85 clear hull, but my wallet hurt...
1 - Both companies offer some very wide range of detail options with their kits. Ease of build with the full interior kits like such is very difficult to tell due to the insanely high amount of part count.
2 - Between the Panther A (especially the late A) and the G (especially the early G) have many similarity, could as well say identical. I believe most of people can agree that the G is the A with modified machinery, like having speed limiter and different steering, regardless the exterior. There are very limited information about these interior parts (Im not even sure if there is any photo about that at all). There are plenty of mixed version of the Panther in real life, just like the rest of the German tanks. Therefore, the accuracy for the specific model is not a thing for me.
3 - RFM offer the clear hull and turret (limited edition), which gives you the possibility to observe the interior even after assembled. Many people dislike the fact about interior kit that they could never see at the end. Therefore, this is an unparalleled advantage for interior kit. - But as I see that you are interested specifically to the ones with interior, I don't know if you care about that. Also, clear hull/turret mean no camo nor Zimmerit... RFM will release the normal version soon enough.
4 - From a price point perspective, the Takom ones are all around 50 to 65USD, while RFM limited clear hull is about 70 to 80USD and the normal is estimated to be around 60 to 70USD. So the price is kind of close. Still, for people with concern about budget, Takom is definitely a go.
5 - Takom uses large piece tracks with small track pieces to fill the curve (https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10509800/40/11) - Easy, fast and look good. RFM uses the piece by piece track like they have on their Tiger (https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10510333/40/10, https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10534335/30/1) - Workable track, flexible for extra detail, more customizable, but hard to build and hellish time consuming.
Personally, I wish for the RFM clear hull to complete with my AFV club T-34/85 clear hull, but my wallet hurt...
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 02:49 PM UTC
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Quoted TextHaving built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Thanks, Sam, but ease of build is not a factor. Best kit for accuracy and detail. The RFM kit seems to have more detail from what I'm hearing, but more parts doesn't always mean a more accurate vehicle. Build ease aside, are you still sold on the Takom?
Id take the Takom over the RFM any day. RFM radiators arent accurate, RFM is missing detail from the gun breech. Takoms' interior is more accurate, and carries more detail than the RFM interior, though on the Befehls there are some missing parts.
The engineering on the Takom kit is next level, an example is the drivers dial panel, which is mounted on the top of the transmission, fits with less than 1mm clearance, to the radio rack which is mounted to the upper hull. They got the tolerances that close.
Having said that, the hull parts are tricky to get together (the sponson floors particularly). The RFM interior fits well, but the turret floor is too tight in the hull floor plate, which scrapes paint off. The Takom turret basket assembly, on the other hand, fits perfectly into the hull floor area.
Hope this helps
Sam
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Posted: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 07:23 PM UTC
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Please note you will need Zimmerit on your Panther A so select with care
No you can build a Takom early A without zimmerit. There were a number of early A's without zimm, I just finished their early A as 'Elna' of Pz Lehr in Normandy:
Having built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Sam
Sam,
Your Panther looks great! Is the turret barrel heavy, or is it an optical illusion from the camera angle? Based on your build I'll probably get the Takom A.
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 02:32 AM UTC
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Please note you will need Zimmerit on your Panther A so select with care
No you can build a Takom early A without zimmerit. There were a number of early A's without zimm, I just finished their early A as 'Elna' of Pz Lehr in Normandy:
Having built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Sam
Sam,
Your Panther looks great! Is the turret barrel heavy, or is it an optical illusion from the camera angle? Based on your build I'll probably get the Takom A.
HI, no I think in the pic I hadn't popped the turret down properly. Id had the whole thing apart to photopraph (turret off, engine deck off, drivers hatch plate off) and sometimes when re-assembling i'll miss something like the turret sitting properly.
The way Takom engineered this kit, you can sit it on the bench and traverse the turret 360 degrees with your little finger, theres that much precision in it.
Sam
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Posted: Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 04:37 AM UTC
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HI, no I think in the pic I hadn't popped the turret down properly. Id had the whole thing apart to photopraph (turret off, engine deck off, drivers hatch plate off) and sometimes when re-assembling i'll miss something like the turret sitting properly.
The way Takom engineered this kit, you can sit it on the bench and traverse the turret 360 degrees with your little finger, theres that much precision in it.
Sam
The kit sounds like a winner. I'll have to save up my pennies.
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Posted: Friday, May 11, 2018 - 01:35 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextHaving built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Thanks, Sam, but ease of build is not a factor. Best kit for accuracy and detail. The RFM kit seems to have more detail from what I'm hearing, but more parts doesn't always mean a more accurate vehicle. Build ease aside, are you still sold on the Takom?
Id take the Takom over the RFM any day. RFM radiators arent accurate, RFM is missing detail from the gun breech. Takoms' interior is more accurate, and carries more detail than the RFM interior, though on the Befehls there are some missing parts.
The engineering on the Takom kit is next level, an example is the drivers dial panel, which is mounted on the top of the transmission, fits with less than 1mm clearance, to the radio rack which is mounted to the upper hull. They got the tolerances that close.
Having said that, the hull parts are tricky to get together (the sponson floors particularly). The RFM interior fits well, but the turret floor is too tight in the hull floor plate, which scrapes paint off. The Takom turret basket assembly, on the other hand, fits perfectly into the hull floor area.
Hope this helps
Sam
This all jives with my research and supports my conclusion, so I appreciate the info here.
For my money, Rye Field is a bit off the mark; I have NOT purchased or built one of their kits, so I may be wrong on that, but I have watched a lot of review/build videos and for me Rye Field gets a red flag, much as Trumpeter kits do!
There are always exceptions though and I'd love to give Rye Field my money if they came out with a cracker of a kit. They seem to need a bit more time to get it right, however.
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Posted: Friday, May 11, 2018 - 01:37 AM UTC
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Please note you will need Zimmerit on your Panther A so select with care
No you can build a Takom early A without zimmerit. There were a number of early A's without zimm, I just finished their early A as 'Elna' of Pz Lehr in Normandy:
Having built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Sam
Such a sexy cat!
I love the little bits of foliage worked in, too. This is my new thing, trying to get some foliage on my German armor. It is so prevalent in so many photos yet most modelers don't do it. I understand not wanting to turn your model into a giant bush with nothing really viewable (no point to that!) but some foliage here and there makes an otherwise incomplete model more complete IMO.
Of course, assuming we are talking about a model in a place/time that would have had the foliage on it in the first place.
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Posted: Friday, May 11, 2018 - 02:12 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextQuoted TextHaving built all the current Panthers - i'd go with Takoms' for accuracy, and ease of build.
Thanks, Sam, but ease of build is not a factor. Best kit for accuracy and detail. The RFM kit seems to have more detail from what I'm hearing, but more parts doesn't always mean a more accurate vehicle. Build ease aside, are you still sold on the Takom?
Id take the Takom over the RFM any day. RFM radiators arent accurate, RFM is missing detail from the gun breech. Takoms' interior is more accurate, and carries more detail than the RFM interior, though on the Befehls there are some missing parts.
The engineering on the Takom kit is next level, an example is the drivers dial panel, which is mounted on the top of the transmission, fits with less than 1mm clearance, to the radio rack which is mounted to the upper hull. They got the tolerances that close.
Having said that, the hull parts are tricky to get together (the sponson floors particularly). The RFM interior fits well, but the turret floor is too tight in the hull floor plate, which scrapes paint off. The Takom turret basket assembly, on the other hand, fits perfectly into the hull floor area.
Hope this helps
Sam
This all jives with my research and supports my conclusion, so I appreciate the info here.
For my money, Rye Field is a bit off the mark; I have NOT purchased or built one of their kits, so I may be wrong on that, but I have watched a lot of review/build videos and for me Rye Field gets a red flag, much as Trumpeter kits do!
There are always exceptions though and I'd love to give Rye Field my money if they came out with a cracker of a kit. They seem to need a bit more time to get it right, however.
I know David will not completely agree with me, but RFM Tigers are pretty good kits. Not perfect, but good. They are close to Dragon Tigers, and the later issued ones just got better. Their Abrams kits are not bad either.
gary