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Best 1/35 late German Panther on the market.
oyoy23
Joined: July 11, 2009
KitMaker: 410 posts
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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 07:00 PM UTC
Lot of new kits just wondering I may even do a steel wheel.
kunjuro
Joined: October 27, 2013
KitMaker: 520 posts
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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 08:14 PM UTC
I think it would be best to ask this question again in a few months time. Right now, the only new "late" (ausf G) Panther in the market is the Ryefield one with a full interior. So, if you're not into interior kits - the DML ausf Gs are still pretty good (especially if you have the 2000s release with the magic tracks instead of the ghastly DS ones and a full set of PE).
Now, Takom, Meng, Hobby Boss and RFM will probably produce an ausf G in the future - but till then, we can only speculate.
Now, Takom, Meng, Hobby Boss and RFM will probably produce an ausf G in the future - but till then, we can only speculate.
TopSmith
Joined: August 09, 2002
KitMaker: 1,742 posts
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Posted: Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 08:19 PM UTC
Dragon makes a good G kit without an interior. It looks like Ryefield makes a good one with an interior. Dragon does give you the option of all steel or all rubber or some combination in between. As far as the exterior goes I know Dragon is accurate and I haven't heard of any grumbles about Ryefields G's accuracy. I honestly don't know if the other companies produce a G version that they will be any better than what is out there already. Everyone's accuracy is improving to the point that anyone's kit will be great
oyoy23
Joined: July 11, 2009
KitMaker: 410 posts
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2018 - 07:47 AM UTC
Don’t really want to build the interior.
TopSmith
Joined: August 09, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2018 - 07:57 AM UTC
The latest Dragon model G offering also comes with anti aircraft armor over the rear deck and turret roof. No interior. Some will grumble about price or that it is their same great G model with some extra PE added. So what, it is a great kit. I always get some Fruile track with a Panther so for me there is not an issue of magic track or not. The late G had no zimm so that is not an issue. I think all would agree that Tamiya's G model is nice but Dragon's is better. Ryefield is cheaper I think and you could just scrap the interior or sell the interior on evilbay.
brekinapez
Joined: July 26, 2013
KitMaker: 2,272 posts
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2018 - 08:35 AM UTC
Dragonusaonline.com is out of stock on all of the older Panthers. Right now they have the PzBeobWg w/5cm gun, two versions of the Ausf D V2, the Panther with the Pz IV turret and the Pz IV with the Panther Ausf F turm. No regular Panthers.
If they plan on competing still they need to reissue some stuff or produce a new set of cats that aren't just more boxes of mix'n'match.
If they plan on competing still they need to reissue some stuff or produce a new set of cats that aren't just more boxes of mix'n'match.
d111298pw
#456
Joined: September 22, 2016
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2018 - 08:44 AM UTC
Unless you are in a hurry, waiting is probably your best option. I wouldn't be surprised if RFM doesn't release their Ausf. G kit without the interior. Would also expect to see Meng and/or Takom also release a "G" to complete their offerings.
TheLilPeashooter
Joined: March 04, 2018
KitMaker: 71 posts
Armorama: 59 posts
Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2018 - 08:48 AM UTC
Tamiya Panther G with steel wheels looks lIke a bargain. It even includes a infrared thingie. On top of that, Tamiya engineering. I would highly suggest switching the rubber tracks. Bronco makes a set for late panthers in plastic.
trickymissfit
Joined: October 03, 2007
KitMaker: 1,388 posts
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KitMaker: 1,388 posts
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Posted: Sunday, May 20, 2018 - 10:03 AM UTC
I just for the Takom release. I's coming, and for $50 bucks at that!
I bought two Panther A's, and they're better than a Dragon or Tamiya.
gary
I bought two Panther A's, and they're better than a Dragon or Tamiya.
gary
TopSmith
Joined: August 09, 2002
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 04:08 AM UTC
Dragon USA online currently has 4 types of Panther G's in stock.
Panther G with zimm #6384
Panther G late #6268
Panther G steel wheels #6370
Panther G early #6267
Panther G with zimm #6384
Panther G late #6268
Panther G steel wheels #6370
Panther G early #6267
warmonger
Joined: November 08, 2006
KitMaker: 217 posts
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 04:20 AM UTC
And if you're not sure of a steel wheeled G, that really opens a can of worms. There have been many Panther kits come out in the last couple of years - especially this year. Takom, Meng, Tamiya, Dragon, and Rye Field come to mind pretty quickly. There are Ds, multiple different As and a few Gs. So it all comes down to what do you want. I'm impatiently waiting on the berg panthers myself. I'll see which one I want then.
brekinapez
Joined: July 26, 2013
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 04:25 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Dragon USA online currently has 4 types of Panther G's in stock.
Panther G with zimm #6384
Panther G late #6268
Panther G steel wheels #6370
Panther G early #6267
Wow, those showed on back order Sunday. It seems they actually DO restock items. I was really starting to wonder.
jbilbrey01
Joined: January 03, 2012
KitMaker: 24 posts
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 09:38 AM UTC
I agree with Nigel. If one isn't in a huge hurry, it may be best to ask this question again in a few months. It remains to be seen what changes, besides the lack of clear hull and turret parts, will be made with RFM's "standard edition" Panther Ausf G. Also, Academy may have their Ausf. G out for sale and what it will bring to the market.
Concerning the early Panther Ausf. G's [such as DML's Panther G with zimmerit #6384], someone might be able to answer this question concerning them. Was it universal for zimmerit to be applied on the vertical surfaces above and behind the road wheels as on an Ausf. D or A? IIRC, the Dragon kit doesn't have the zimmerit pattern there. I'm not trying to pick nits, but it has been a question of mine since I bought [and sold] the Dragon kit in question.
Concerning the early Panther Ausf. G's [such as DML's Panther G with zimmerit #6384], someone might be able to answer this question concerning them. Was it universal for zimmerit to be applied on the vertical surfaces above and behind the road wheels as on an Ausf. D or A? IIRC, the Dragon kit doesn't have the zimmerit pattern there. I'm not trying to pick nits, but it has been a question of mine since I bought [and sold] the Dragon kit in question.
d111298pw
#456
Joined: September 22, 2016
KitMaker: 654 posts
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 10:41 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I agree with Nigel. If one isn't in a huge hurry, it may be best to ask this question again in a few months. It remains to be seen what changes, besides the lack of clear hull and turret parts, will be made with RFM's "standard edition" Panther Ausf G. Also, Academy may have their Ausf. G out for sale and what it will bring to the market.
Concerning the early Panther Ausf. G's [such as DML's Panther G with zimmerit #6384], someone might be able to answer this question concerning them. Was it universal for zimmerit to be applied on the vertical surfaces above and behind the road wheels as on an Ausf. D or A? IIRC, the Dragon kit doesn't have the zimmerit pattern there. I'm not trying to pick nits, but it has been a question of mine since I bought [and sold] the Dragon kit in question.
It is my interpretation (from my reference material) that the factory applied zimmerit included the lower hull surfaces behind the running gear. Field application on the Ausf. D's and very early Ausf. A's probably would not have included this area.
ctkwok
Joined: May 21, 2018
KitMaker: 197 posts
Armorama: 183 posts
Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 10:58 AM UTC
To participate in the flood of Panthers Dragon just reissued their G's... They announced it a while back and it seems it just happened this weekend. Some have magic tracks... Meng et al will definitely have their own G's but Dragon's really stands well to time. 
TopSmith
Joined: August 09, 2002
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 05:11 PM UTC
Welcome to the site Cody. 
ctkwok
Joined: May 21, 2018
KitMaker: 197 posts
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 07:39 PM UTC
Thanks, reading this forum for over a year and finally decided to join 
Asking something relevant to the thread, are the Gs more prominently different than the As and Ds? Meng and Takom quickly followed their As with Ds but haven't yet preannouced they're doing a G yet (although hard to imagine they don't). I thought Gs has different mantlets and their engine cover area were different.
Asking something relevant to the thread, are the Gs more prominently different than the As and Ds? Meng and Takom quickly followed their As with Ds but haven't yet preannouced they're doing a G yet (although hard to imagine they don't). I thought Gs has different mantlets and their engine cover area were different.
d111298pw
#456
Joined: September 22, 2016
KitMaker: 654 posts
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 08:24 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Thanks, reading this forum for over a year and finally decided to join
Asking something relevant to the thread, are the Gs more prominently different than the As and Ds? Meng and Takom quickly followed their As with Ds but haven't yet preannouced they're doing a G yet (although hard to imagine they don't). I thought Gs has different mantlets and their engine cover area were different.
Things basically flow this way:
Ausf. D is the original version.
Ausf. A is the Ausf. D chassis with a new turret design
Ausf. G is the Ausf. A turret with a new chassis based on the cancelled Panther II.
I would expect the others to release a "G" at some point this year.
jrutman
Joined: April 10, 2011
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 08:33 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Thanks, reading this forum for over a year and finally decided to join
Asking something relevant to the thread, are the Gs more prominently different than the As and Ds? Meng and Takom quickly followed their As with Ds but haven't yet preannouced they're doing a G yet (although hard to imagine they don't). I thought Gs has different mantlets and their engine cover area were different.
The major difference in the early G over the A is in the hull side. Instead of going straight back from front to rear,with the welded on armor at the rear covering the fuel tank area,the G has one sloped line from front to rear,plus the omitting of the front opening for the drivers' vision port. This port was moved to the hull roof,over the driver. The turret remained pretty much the same until the later G model,which had the chin added to the mantlet,plus the "tower" added to the rear hull top for the crew heater. This were the major changes,but there were a lot of smaller ones and we could fill a small book here with those.
ctkwok
Joined: May 21, 2018
KitMaker: 197 posts
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Posted: Monday, May 21, 2018 - 10:26 PM UTC
Thanks for the details. That's a lot of changes so no wonder they haven't made any announcements yet.
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