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Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Flakpanther Coelian
DaveCox
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 03:11 AM UTC
I read in an article (can't remember where) some years ago that at the end of WW2 Germany was developing special experimental camouflage schemes in grey/white/black etc for urban combat. Does anybody have any info. on these experimental schemes as I'm considering painting a Coelian this way.?
There are some clues as Britain did try similar schemes on a Cheiftan? for use in a future european conflict. One of these was squares/rectangles of white, dark grey, light grey, black and brick red.
DaveCox
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 08:29 PM UTC
Found some pics of a Chieftan in the 'Berlin' scheme allegedly based on a German WW2 proposal.







Note in the centre pic how effective this scheme is when photographed against Spandau prison.
Biggles2
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Posted: Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 03:24 PM UTC
Those colors were supposed to correspond to the various colors of brick and stone buildings, especially when they were 'rubble-ized'. The greys, blacks, and whites would form an urban ambush scheme against the jumble of broken masonry (especially as Germany was being 'rubble-ized' at that time).
DaveCox
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Posted: Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 07:31 PM UTC
Thanks Biggles2, I was beginning to think that my memory was playing tricks on me when no-one else replied on this! Maybe just a touch obscure! Just wish I could find the mag. article but it was a few years ago.
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Posted: Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 11:30 PM UTC
Looking at them pictures, I'd say it worked. I never seen them pictures before either.
Did they use them in the war or it never got off the planning stage? Just a few proto types?

Kerry
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Posted: Monday, March 22, 2004 - 12:46 AM UTC
Kerry, So far as I know the Germans never used this cammo scheme, which is why I thought that as the Flakpanther never entered service either I could have a prototype unit in an experimental cammo. So experimental that it seems most people haven't heard of it!
The Cheiftan scheme was actually used by the British in Berlin in the 1970s-80s and certainly seems effective!
I'm going to place the Flakpanther in front of a stone building so that the cammo is shown to it's best effect.
Biggles2
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Posted: Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 03:00 PM UTC
To be completely hypothetical and conjectural, a light/medium/dark grey hard-edged, splinter pattern with spots (similar to Ambush scheme) might be probable.
Hey!!! What happened to the Firing Cannon emoticon?
DaveCox
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Posted: Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 07:02 PM UTC
That could be another possibility Biggles2. I'm still thinking on this one. It's a couple of models down the pile at the moment, keeps getting pushed down 'cause of the indi link tracks!
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Posted: Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 07:54 PM UTC
the british version was very successful each tank was painted identical so that the russians never knew how many tanks were in the brigade, and even the russians copied it!
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