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US Army want Self Driving Trucks by 2020
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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2018 - 07:25 AM UTC

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No one from DARPA or the United States Army is coming to Armorama, Missing-Lynx, or Track-Link for critiques of their plans. Nor should they. Modeling sites are not fonts of cutting-edge thinking. People are free to express their opinions on here but those opinions must be considered for what they typically are: uninformed, ill-considered, immature, prejudiced, backward-looking, reactionary, poorly expressed, and often a combination of all of the preceding. It is perfectly reasonable if not absolutely correct to say that anyone with legitimate, useful input to this story and others like it is not expressing it on Armorama.

Please people, you are just blabbering out what pops into your mind. Don't kid yourself that your posts matter to the issue.

KL



I don't think that Anyone here on Armorama ever thought that our comments would have the slightest influence on the policymakers.
We can still voice opinions and have fun though
Maybe we would get noticed if we published our thoughts and opinions on Twitter ....

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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2018 - 09:37 AM UTC

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I don't think that Anyone here on Armorama ever thought that our comments would have the slightest influence on the policymakers.
We can still voice opinions and have fun though



In other words, "you are just blabbering out what pops into your mind."

Which is fine, but why I originally said that this was the typical model site reaction to any military technology story.

KL
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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2018 - 10:08 AM UTC

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I don't think that Anyone here on Armorama ever thought that our comments would have the slightest influence on the policymakers.
We can still voice opinions and have fun though



In other words, "you are just blabbering out what pops into your mind."

Which is fine, but why I originally said that this was the typical model site reaction to any military technology story.

KL



Maybe we should all become politicians, by your description we should be perfect for the job
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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2018 - 11:24 AM UTC

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Maybe we should all become politicians, by your description we should be perfect for the job



Not me: Did too many drugs and [auto-censored]ed too many women.

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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2018 - 12:08 PM UTC

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Maybe we should all become politicians, by your description we should be perfect for the job



Not me: Did too many drugs and [auto-censored]ed too many women.

KL



I do not know 'for the first but for the second seems to be part of the CV of the perfect politician ....
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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2018 - 01:42 PM UTC

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Did too many drugs and [auto-censored]ed too many women.

I do not know 'for the first but for the second seems to be part of the CV of the perfect politician ....



I would recommend it to anyone.

KL
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Posted: Thursday, August 23, 2018 - 05:17 PM UTC
Ha, I second that....!! 😁
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Posted: Friday, August 24, 2018 - 11:33 AM UTC

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Typical model site reaction to any military technology story . . .

"It will never work and everyone is stupid except me."

KL



So rude...you can also turn like this if you really want...




Dammnit, the "hide user" function doesn't work when you go ahead and quote the user :-)
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Posted: Saturday, August 25, 2018 - 12:33 AM UTC
I really like Ed's remark about wanting driverless vehicles because his (like my) figure painting abilities are so poor!

Most all my model vehicles are futuristic in that they already feature a driverless capability - even the 40's era ones.
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 03:23 AM UTC
At some point in the future, there's going to be a lot of driverless military vehicles. The Air Force and Navy will go pilotless, probably as soon as the current generation of pilots/aviators retire. The technology might not be as good as an American human pilot in certain combat situations, but no other pilots in the world are that good either. Navy small boats would be next, though I think ships will always need men for damage control if nothing else. Ground forces will take longer, but at some point somebody will invent robots capable of killing humans easily, and the desire to keep American troops alive will override the generals who want humans to do the fighting.
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 03:39 AM UTC

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At some point in the future, there's going to be a lot of driverless military vehicles. The Air Force and Navy will go pilotless, probably as soon as the current generation of pilots/aviators retire. The technology might not be as good as an American human pilot in certain combat situations, but no other pilots in the world are that good either. Navy small boats would be next, though I think ships will always need men for damage control if nothing else. Ground forces will take longer, but at some point somebody will invent robots capable of killing humans easily, and the desire to keep American troops alive will override the generals who want humans to do the fighting.



Removing the human from the equation makes many things easier. No space needed for three or four humans inside the tank. Less volume to put armour around. Armour can be concentrated around important components instead of a "large" fighting compartment. No cab on driverless trucks.
The human ability to withstand G-forces becomes a non issue, pull as many G as the airframe can handle.
Ships can be reduced in size and become sensor carriers supported by weapon platforms (probably missile carriers).
Stealth in the sensor carriers could remove the need for defensive weapons. Satellites and other long distance sensors reduce the need for actually going somewhere for a look-see.
Missiles can report back, sending sensor data until they go ka-boom.
Robot soldiers could be free from some of the tactical restrictions hampering humans since they could be armoured/bullet proof to a higher degree than humans.
Energy supply could be an issue, can't go dragging cables along ....
/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 04:15 AM UTC
The one issue I see with all human optional systems is that there is no way to guarantee the data link. Without the data link you need autonomy and without human like AI you can't have that with current technology. Remember that Iran, a low tech country hijacked and stole an RQ-170. Also remember Skynet from Terminator. Machines that think like we do, only faster, may decide they don't need us any longer. The planned 6th generation of fighter aircraft will still have a cockpit. The interface between the human and the machine will evolve, but the human will still be there for the foreseeable future. One human in a fighter or tank may be able to control a swarm of semi-autonomous drones due to better interfaces, but even that system will be vulnerable to hacking by an adversary.

Regards,

Eric
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Posted: Monday, August 27, 2018 - 06:11 AM UTC
A potential problem I see with AI in general is not that it's in any immediate danger of becoming self-aware Skynet-style but that it's fundamentally a black box. Where you have a single AI in a regular environment its behaviour is relatively predictable, but when you start having multiple interacting black boxes it can give rise to unpredictable emergent behaviour. I wonder if humans will be still be required to keep the AI on-mission?
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