Florida, United States
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 - 09:23 AM UTC
Hi Guys - hoping someone can help me out. When a spare road wheel is carried on top of the turret of an Abrams tank (see picture) how is it secured down? I can't find any pictures from the top looking down into it.

I know they typically use a spare track guide to secure the wheel to the bustle rack, but can't find anything for the top of the turret. I can't believe it would just sit there on its own, but maybe.
Thanks
Mike
New Jersey, United States
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 - 11:04 AM UTC
Your kit should have a series of bolts there on the roof. Shave off two and line up the roadwheel to coincide with those shaved off bolts and glue two bolts on the roadwheel.
Florida, United States
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 - 12:46 PM UTC
Ah - ok - its bolted down. My dragon kit does not have those bolts but it suspect I can line it up good enough and use some aftermarket ones.
Thanks for the help.
Texas, United States
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 - 11:06 PM UTC
All the M1 kits have those 4 bolts that Robert is talking about. They are in front of the man hole cover and in front of the "dog house."

When removing the turret from the hull, those 4 bolts are removed and used to attach lifting points.
Pete Becerra, Jr. SGT(RET)
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RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 - 11:27 PM UTC
Are the bolts used to attach lifting points somewhere else or are the lifting points attached to the holes that the bolts occupy? I would assume the latter case but sometimes life surprises me ...
Where is the third (or maybe even the fourth) lifting point?
/ Robin
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Texas, United States
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 - 11:42 PM UTC
Robin,
They are attached to the holes that the bolts occupy.
It is 3 points to lift the turret:

I'm not 100% sure, but from what I can see and find, it looks like the 3rd lifting point is right in front of the wind sensor:

Pete Becerra, Jr. SGT(RET)
HHC, 71st BfSB - TEXAS
HHB, 36th ID DIVARTY -TEXAS
B Co.(-), 949 FSB, 56th BCT, 36th ID - TEXAS
B Co., 324th FSB, 3rd Brigade, 24th INF DIV(MECH)
563rd ORD Co. - GERMANY
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 - 11:48 PM UTC
Thanks!
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"Build what YOU want, the way YOU want to....
and the critics will flame you every time"
Texas, United States
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Posted: Friday, September 14, 2018 - 11:58 PM UTC
I take back what I said. It looks like the 3rd lifting point is in the center behind the TC and loaders hatch, before the blow off panels:

Pete Becerra, Jr. SGT(RET)
HHC, 71st BfSB - TEXAS
HHB, 36th ID DIVARTY -TEXAS
B Co.(-), 949 FSB, 56th BCT, 36th ID - TEXAS
B Co., 324th FSB, 3rd Brigade, 24th INF DIV(MECH)
563rd ORD Co. - GERMANY
Rhone, France
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Posted: Saturday, September 15, 2018 - 01:37 AM UTC
On the M1A1, the spare is sometimes bolted to the circular base used for the CITV on the M1A2.

H.P.
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Washington, United States
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Posted: Saturday, September 15, 2018 - 02:49 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I take back what I said. It looks like the 3rd lifting point is in the center behind the TC and loaders hatch, before the blow off panels:

Correct, there is a set of 4 bolts nestled between the hatches, just in front of the center line of the two blow off panels.
Florida, United States
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Posted: Saturday, September 15, 2018 - 09:58 AM UTC
I looked at my kit again, and yes sure enough they are there. Not sure how I missed them in the first place.
Removed by original poster on 09/15/18 - 23:04:13 (GMT).
Texas, United States
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Posted: Saturday, September 15, 2018 - 11:03 AM UTC
Quoted Text
On the M1A1, the spare is sometimes bolted to the circular base used for the CITV on the M1A2.

H.P.
That's how it was done when I was in the US Army and National Guard.