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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Pending Panzer IV Ausf G phantastic
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Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 06:07 PM UTC
As seen here, https://toylandhobbymodelingmagazine.press/2018/10/18/border-model-pzkpfw-iv-ausf-g-1-35-4th-g-type-middle-and-late/ coming from, new to me, Border Models.

Enjoy!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 07:41 PM UTC
looks very nice, thanks for the info.

Curiously, comes with a section of T-34 tracks for extra protection
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Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 08:36 PM UTC
Looks ice indeed, though the side skirts look to be attached vertically, which IMHO is wrong... They should rather be inclined towards the vehicle at the bottom.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 09:16 PM UTC

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Looks ice indeed, though the side skirts look to be attached vertically, which IMHO is wrong... They should rather be inclined towards the vehicle at the bottom.


CAD-renderings. Designer has drawn them vertically.
If they have detailed the hanging system for the skirts to the same level as the rest then the skirts will hang correctly.
The center of gravity of the plate shall be straight down from the hook it hangs on. This is not even a minor problem
/ Robin


Edit: See below. I was wrong

Edit again: See even further down below. Maybe I wasn't wrong this time but I hadn't got it completely right either. One hanging system results in vertical plates, the other in inward sloping plates.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 09:47 PM UTC

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Looks ice indeed, though the side skirts look to be attached vertically, which IMHO is wrong... They should rather be inclined towards the vehicle at the bottom.


CAD-renderings. Designer has drawn them vertically.
If they have detailed the hanging system for the skirts to the same level as the rest then the skirts will hang correctly.
The center of gravity of the plate shall be straight down from the hook it hangs on. This is not even a minor problem
/ Robin


I didn't say it is a major problem, but gravity won't help at all. There are upper and lower attachment points on the side skirts, and if the lower support sticks out too far (like is the case here, visible on the frontal view), then the side skirt will be vertical. Easy to fix? Probably, but at the same time something the model company could easily have avoided in the first place...
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Posted: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - 10:54 PM UTC











Note the size/shape of the shadow & distance to the wheels.
Compare with side view of 825 below

It seems as if there was two systems for hanging the skirts.
One with vertical skirts (images above this text) and another where the skirts sloped inwards (images below).










I could be wrong but I get the impression that sloping plates go together with pointed ends on the first and last plate.
Maybe the design was changed to prevent problems with the lower outer corners of the first and last plate striking the ground or objects.

/ Robin
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 12:11 AM UTC
The incline on the Schurzen only appeared wit the 2nd rail system, as used on the Ausf H.
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 12:27 AM UTC
IRC , the plates hung sloped towards the hull when using standard track , they moved them out to the second , wider position when the extended winter track was used .
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 12:34 AM UTC
Talking about T-34 tracks used as add-on armor, here are some on a Ausf H :



H.P.
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 01:41 AM UTC
To my knowledge, the Ausf. G only used the Type 1 schurzen system.
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Posted: Thursday, October 18, 2018 - 01:45 AM UTC

Is that the same artwork that was on the fake Takom Pz. IV?
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 03:16 PM UTC
The renderings look very good; very comparable to Dragon in detail.

I would like to build one of these up and see how it compares to Dragon.

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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 08:45 PM UTC

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The incline on the Schurzen only appeared wit the 2nd rail system, as used on the Ausf H.


I stand corrected. I never knew there were different rail systems (apart from the details of how the supports/ attachments were made)...
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 09:23 PM UTC

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The incline on the Schurzen only appeared wit the 2nd rail system, as used on the Ausf H.


I stand corrected. I never knew there were different rail systems (apart from the details of how the supports/ attachments were made)...


I had never thought about it before either
It was a good day since I learned something new
/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, October 22, 2018 - 11:52 PM UTC
Gents, only quoting Panzer tracts...

Regards,

Marc
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Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - 07:32 AM UTC
I gonna tell you right up front! If Takom has anything to do with kit, I'm good for four kits if not six!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - 04:26 AM UTC
The only thing missing from the CAD's is the Filzbalgvorfilter (the two cilinders on the RHS). This was fitted to late G's...

I've posted about this on their FB page.
Removed by original poster on 10/24/18 - 19:03:46 (GMT).
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Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2018 - 01:32 AM UTC
Modellbau König has it on pre-order.
The price looks good to me
https://www.modellbau-koenig.de/en/Vehicles/Military-1-35/Tanks/Tanks-WWII-Axis/Wehrmacht/Panzer-IV-Ausf-G-Mid-Late-2in1

/ Robin
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