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Kar98K
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Posted: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 12:05 PM UTC
I just bought the Tamiya Panther Ausf A 1/35 and was wondereing if there are any big mistakes Tamiya made.
Panther88
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Posted: Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:11 AM UTC
I am currently working on two Tamiya Panther G Lates, one is the steel wheel version. I have not read or heard of any inaccuracies or errors in this kit. I have only read that it is the best Panther G in 1/35th scale.
I do have a question to add to yours, as I advised I am doing a G late and G steel wheel version, was the camo on these hard edged?
I do have a question to add to yours, as I advised I am doing a G late and G steel wheel version, was the camo on these hard edged?
Blade48mrd
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Posted: Friday, November 11, 2005 - 08:42 AM UTC
Kar98K -
Not very familiar with the Tamiya Panther A, as I only have the Tamiya Panther G currently and am projecting it in an "Battle of Bulge" motiff. As to Michal's question, it will depend somewhat on the where/when of your Panther G s and if you plan a "3 color" or "ambush" scheme. As far as I know ("thebear", "kelley" and others are better qualified here) the 3 color would more than likely have been soft edge as would most of the versions of "ambush". Like the Tiger IIs with "ambush" scheme, some were hard edged. They also had the red oxide primer as "base" with the dark yellow (dunkle gelb) and olive green over sprayed on late versions rather than the red brown (also no zimmerit). Hope this helps some,
Blade48mrd
Not very familiar with the Tamiya Panther A, as I only have the Tamiya Panther G currently and am projecting it in an "Battle of Bulge" motiff. As to Michal's question, it will depend somewhat on the where/when of your Panther G s and if you plan a "3 color" or "ambush" scheme. As far as I know ("thebear", "kelley" and others are better qualified here) the 3 color would more than likely have been soft edge as would most of the versions of "ambush". Like the Tiger IIs with "ambush" scheme, some were hard edged. They also had the red oxide primer as "base" with the dark yellow (dunkle gelb) and olive green over sprayed on late versions rather than the red brown (also no zimmerit). Hope this helps some,
Blade48mrd
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Posted: Friday, November 11, 2005 - 09:04 AM UTC
Yes to emphise the point and for you not to make the really silly mistake that I have done on my late panther G - dont put zimmerit on it!
...stupid me...stupid me...
...stupid me...stupid me...
Kelley
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Posted: Friday, November 11, 2005 - 10:08 AM UTC
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I just bought the Tamiya Panther Ausf A 1/35 and was wondereing if there are any big mistakes Tamiya made.
Kar98K,
I hate to tell you this but unfortunately the Tamiya Panther A is at least 30 some-odd years old, and compared to todays standards is pretty inaccurate. Without going into great detail a couple of the big problems are, it is very out of scale, and the center set of roadwheels is represented as 1 wheel instead of 2 bolted together. I could go on but hopefully you get the idea.
Now having said that, it is still a Tamiya kit and as such the kit goes together well. (I know this from experience, having built a few over the years ) What I would do, if you really want a nice Panther A, build this one and use it for "practice", then pick up one of the very good Dragon Panther A kits.
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I do have a question to add to yours, as I advised I am doing a G late and G steel wheel version, was the camo on these hard edged?
Michal, Although one of my favorite models of all time is a late IR Panther with a hardedge scheme I personally haven't seen any pics of the real thing with hardedge. (but they very well could be out there!) I think the late war, factory applied Panther scheme could best be described as a "tight" softedge scheme. (I hope that makes sense)
Like Blade48mrd said above, for the steel wheel version I'd go with a three color scheme over a base of red oxide primer. If the late G is really late (late December '44 into '45) use a base color of "olive green with a camo pattern of sharp contours applied using red brown and dark yellow" this info is from the Thomas Jentz Panther book.
By the way Mike, thanks for the compliment. I'm just a guy who has read a lot of material about all this stuff .
HTH,
Mike
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Posted: Friday, November 11, 2005 - 11:16 AM UTC
Kar98K - Think "Kelley" has a great idea about using the Tamiya Panther A for a practice version, especially if your really just getting into the WWII German AFVs. Tamiya's reputation for fit and ease of building is well earned, and it will make a very nice/enjoyable build. It could be used later in a diorama as "knocked out" (I plan on doing this with an "old" Tamiya JagdTiger). Go with the Dragon Panther A (or any of theirs) for better accuracy and detail vs the old Tamiya. Hard to beat Dragon's quality and extra goodies now days. Good luck and keep us posted.
Michal - "Kelley" is "spot on" as usual with his advice. The camo schemes for the Panther Gs (Late) Sep-Dec 1944, like the one I'm planning for Battle of the Bulge seem primarily to be the 3 color, soft edged based on the red oxide. There are many varieties of "applications" of the dark yellow, olive green. Look at some of the Concord Publications ("Panzer-Division; War on Two Fronts 1943-45", "Battle of the Bulge", "Panzers in the Ardennes", etc.) for some great color profiles of Panthers. Great photos and very reasonable.
Mike - Compliments are most definitely deserved and well earned. Thanks to the guys like you, 'thebear", and so many others, I'm learning more all the time especially about AFVs and even alot more about my favorite areas that I thought I knew alot about (like Battle of Bulge). It's this open, friendly, and so very helpful and informative kind of exchange and support that makes this all so fantastic. Can't get enough! Thanks,
Blade48mrd
Michal - "Kelley" is "spot on" as usual with his advice. The camo schemes for the Panther Gs (Late) Sep-Dec 1944, like the one I'm planning for Battle of the Bulge seem primarily to be the 3 color, soft edged based on the red oxide. There are many varieties of "applications" of the dark yellow, olive green. Look at some of the Concord Publications ("Panzer-Division; War on Two Fronts 1943-45", "Battle of the Bulge", "Panzers in the Ardennes", etc.) for some great color profiles of Panthers. Great photos and very reasonable.
Mike - Compliments are most definitely deserved and well earned. Thanks to the guys like you, 'thebear", and so many others, I'm learning more all the time especially about AFVs and even alot more about my favorite areas that I thought I knew alot about (like Battle of Bulge). It's this open, friendly, and so very helpful and informative kind of exchange and support that makes this all so fantastic. Can't get enough! Thanks,
Blade48mrd