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Trumpeter: S-300V 9A83varanusk
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Posted: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 - 08:47 PM UTC
The impressive S-300V 9A83 SAM from Trumpeter is ready to be released.
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Thanks!
Taeuss
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Posted: Saturday, November 10, 2018 - 12:31 PM UTC
Wow! What a cool-looking beast! The Soviets/Russians really seem to like their big tactical rocket systems. As I am unfamiliar with this particular rocket launch system I wonder exactly what its battlefield purpose is? Interdiction? Counter-battery launches? Shooting down airliners? (oh ya!)
Specter1075
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Posted: Sunday, November 11, 2018 - 04:32 PM UTC
High level/long range air defense against aircraft and ballistic missiles. The S-300 line is complicated, but you can read the whole story on Wikipedia. It looks like Trumpeter will put out components for the older S-300PMU (launcher unit already released, with Flaplid radar coming soon) as well as the S-300V (Both Giant and Gladiator TELARs) and Grillpan radar.
timjake78
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Posted: Friday, December 14, 2018 - 11:31 AM UTC
I have it on the workbench now - quite the monster. So far, it's impressive. Much easier to handle than the W-Model 1/72 scale resin kit.
One error I've found in the instructions:
page 8 - it has the sub-assembly made up of X-14, X-20, and X-36 rotated 180 degrees out of alignment when you attach it to the mast assembly. If you look at the next drawing, it's in the correct alignment.
One error I've found in the instructions:
page 8 - it has the sub-assembly made up of X-14, X-20, and X-36 rotated 180 degrees out of alignment when you attach it to the mast assembly. If you look at the next drawing, it's in the correct alignment.
Specter1075
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 08:04 AM UTC
Damn, that was fast! Where did you get yours from? I managed to order one on Ebay from Germany for a reasonable price. Other than that, I only saw them available from a Japanese seller for a hugely expensive price. None of my usual sellers have them yet.
I wont get to mine for a bit. Would love to see some WIP pics, if you're willing!
I wont get to mine for a bit. Would love to see some WIP pics, if you're willing!
timjake78
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Posted: Saturday, December 15, 2018 - 11:50 AM UTC
I had it on pre-order from Free Time Hobbies, so I had it in-hand by 8 Dec. I got started on it a couple days ago.
I'm still trying to determine how many sub-assemblies I can build up before I have to start painting. Also, the cab interior is quite detailed, so I've been trying to find pictures to work from, but all I can find are from other systems (SA-6, SA-5, SHILKA, etc). They have buff interior with the weapon consoles a light grey and equipment racks medium green. Then there's all those buttons and dials to drive you crazy. (the photo album included in the kit is external shots only)
I'll see if the wife can help with WIP pictures. She's the photographer, I'm the videographer.
I'm still trying to determine how many sub-assemblies I can build up before I have to start painting. Also, the cab interior is quite detailed, so I've been trying to find pictures to work from, but all I can find are from other systems (SA-6, SA-5, SHILKA, etc). They have buff interior with the weapon consoles a light grey and equipment racks medium green. Then there's all those buttons and dials to drive you crazy. (the photo album included in the kit is external shots only)
I'll see if the wife can help with WIP pictures. She's the photographer, I'm the videographer.
Specter1075
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2018 - 06:15 AM UTC
That would be great! I look forward to seeing the early stages.
How is your Russian? I find that searching in Cyrillic for something on Yandex yields more options for pictures. My Russian is not great and getting worse, but I'll add in a qualifier word like the Russian for 'inside' or 'interior' and see what comes back. Give it a try!
Edit:
I gave it a try and can't find a single picture of the interior of the 580 base vehicle, which makes me think Trumpeter likely made a 'best guess at it.
How is your Russian? I find that searching in Cyrillic for something on Yandex yields more options for pictures. My Russian is not great and getting worse, but I'll add in a qualifier word like the Russian for 'inside' or 'interior' and see what comes back. Give it a try!
Edit:
I gave it a try and can't find a single picture of the interior of the 580 base vehicle, which makes me think Trumpeter likely made a 'best guess at it.
OldWarloke
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Posted: Sunday, December 16, 2018 - 10:50 PM UTC
squadron shop has it listed as being in stock for $139.99
Regards Donald
Regards Donald
timjake78
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Posted: Sunday, December 30, 2018 - 08:15 AM UTC
I've been able to work a bit more on this kit.
I'll say up front, I am not a fan of PE for PE's sake. That said, Trumpeter decided to do PE handles in several places, some of which are simply beyond my ability to do. Specifically, Step 10, on the right side of the main hull, they call for 12 x PE-B7 handles on one of the panels. Those pieces are 3.5 mm (~1/8 inch) long, and you are to put 4 bends in each. I simply do not have the dexterity to do that. (I would have preferred styrene handles like they did with the SA-4 kit)
The PE handles on the rear hull panels and the equipment inside the cab had guide holes, so they were not too much of a hassle.
I'll say up front, I am not a fan of PE for PE's sake. That said, Trumpeter decided to do PE handles in several places, some of which are simply beyond my ability to do. Specifically, Step 10, on the right side of the main hull, they call for 12 x PE-B7 handles on one of the panels. Those pieces are 3.5 mm (~1/8 inch) long, and you are to put 4 bends in each. I simply do not have the dexterity to do that. (I would have preferred styrene handles like they did with the SA-4 kit)
The PE handles on the rear hull panels and the equipment inside the cab had guide holes, so they were not too much of a hassle.
Specter1075
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Posted: Monday, December 31, 2018 - 01:54 AM UTC
I suspect my mitts will be too big for that kind of operation too!
timjake78
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Posted: Tuesday, January 01, 2019 - 08:52 AM UTC
I uploaded a few pictures to my gallery of early assemblies.
I've probably spent way too much time working on the interior and realizing I can't do the dials & switches justice. No idea yet how much will be visible once the windows are in-place.
If someone wants to detail the interior and have the doors open, the kit has a lot of good parts to work with.
I've probably spent way too much time working on the interior and realizing I can't do the dials & switches justice. No idea yet how much will be visible once the windows are in-place.
If someone wants to detail the interior and have the doors open, the kit has a lot of good parts to work with.
timjake78
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Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2019 - 10:42 AM UTC
More issues with the PE - there are no graphics or diagrams to show how to bend it. A couple examples - PE-A16 (step 9) goes inside the cab, but all it shows is where to place it. A quick look at the piece shows three places to bend.
Another example - PE-A4 (step 11). Those are hinges connecting the engine exhaust screens to the louvers. Again, no guide on how to bend. If you look at those in later assemblies, the shape shown does not match the pictures of the real thing.
On the positive side, the fit for most of the pieces is very good. Also, a lot of pieces on the hull are keyed so you'll have to work hard to put them in improperly.
Another example - PE-A4 (step 11). Those are hinges connecting the engine exhaust screens to the louvers. Again, no guide on how to bend. If you look at those in later assemblies, the shape shown does not match the pictures of the real thing.
On the positive side, the fit for most of the pieces is very good. Also, a lot of pieces on the hull are keyed so you'll have to work hard to put them in improperly.
Specter1075
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Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2019 - 05:14 PM UTC
Mine arrived in the mail this week. I`ll be keeping this thread book-marked for when I get to building my own! Thanks for the updates!
timjake78
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2019 - 06:30 AM UTC
Proceeding slowly on this build. As I said in an earlier post, the engineering is pretty good on most pieces, tolerances are very tight.
I was working on assembly 19 (cradles that hold the missile canisters) last night. Looks like Trumpeter took a shortcut here. The angular pieces that reinforce the cradles have fronts/backs, but Trumpeter has you use the same pieces for both sets of cradles, so some face forward and some face backward. If you're building it in travel mode, that'll be hidden between the hull and the canisters. But, if you're building for firing position (I am), then it's obvious.
I'm also not thrilled that the track links don't have pins (like they did on the SA-4). This is the same as they did with the SA-6 TEL several years ago. It was a real pain trying to get the tracks to lay as they should and still connect, whereas with the SA-4, you just assembled the track and strung it across like the real thing.
I was working on assembly 19 (cradles that hold the missile canisters) last night. Looks like Trumpeter took a shortcut here. The angular pieces that reinforce the cradles have fronts/backs, but Trumpeter has you use the same pieces for both sets of cradles, so some face forward and some face backward. If you're building it in travel mode, that'll be hidden between the hull and the canisters. But, if you're building for firing position (I am), then it's obvious.
I'm also not thrilled that the track links don't have pins (like they did on the SA-4). This is the same as they did with the SA-6 TEL several years ago. It was a real pain trying to get the tracks to lay as they should and still connect, whereas with the SA-4, you just assembled the track and strung it across like the real thing.
Specter1075
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 - 09:02 AM UTC
Hey Tim, would you mind taking a pic of the cradle parts you describe? I'm curious how it looks. I'll be doing mine in the firing position as well (How could anyone want to do otherwise??). Do you have pics of the work in progress overall?
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 - 09:12 AM UTC
Quoted Text
... I'll be doing mine in the firing position as well (How could anyone want to do otherwise??). ...
they fit better in the shelf in the display cabinet with the missiles in transport mode
/ Robin
timjake78
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Posted: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 - 12:45 PM UTC
I don't have any pics right now, but the pieces I'm referring to are YF1, YF15, and YF24.
Ref the display case issue for firing position, I'm likely going to have to find a new place for a Perfect Grade Gundam to open a spot with the height needed to have the canisters erected...and I'm thinking of having a missile partially out of the can as though being launched.
Ref the display case issue for firing position, I'm likely going to have to find a new place for a Perfect Grade Gundam to open a spot with the height needed to have the canisters erected...and I'm thinking of having a missile partially out of the can as though being launched.
timjake78
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Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 04:09 PM UTC
A few more observations as I get back to work on this kit after weeks of illness:
1: The missile canisters have 6 attachment points to the supports on the cradles. These would be great if the rods on the cradles were separate, but they aren't. You essentially have to "snap" the canister into place over the rods, with a high likelihood of breaking them.
2: The styrene the tracks are made of is soft, so cleaning up after cutting them from the sprue is not as easy as cleaning the other parts. Also, I'll repeat something I said in a previous post - I really wish Trumpeter would have used pins on these track links like they did on the SA-4.
3: The paint masks are great - they fit the windows exactly.
4: The radar mast and missile erector mechanisms are moveable if you follow the directions. The main distinction is which supports you use on the canister cradles. So, when mine is done, I can have everything stowed to move it around, then erect the canisters and mast to display in firing position. While everything is folded down, the canisters will be further aft than they should be for transport mode, but will be correct for firing position. A small price to pay to have it safely stowed for moving around before display (IMHO).
1: The missile canisters have 6 attachment points to the supports on the cradles. These would be great if the rods on the cradles were separate, but they aren't. You essentially have to "snap" the canister into place over the rods, with a high likelihood of breaking them.
2: The styrene the tracks are made of is soft, so cleaning up after cutting them from the sprue is not as easy as cleaning the other parts. Also, I'll repeat something I said in a previous post - I really wish Trumpeter would have used pins on these track links like they did on the SA-4.
3: The paint masks are great - they fit the windows exactly.
4: The radar mast and missile erector mechanisms are moveable if you follow the directions. The main distinction is which supports you use on the canister cradles. So, when mine is done, I can have everything stowed to move it around, then erect the canisters and mast to display in firing position. While everything is folded down, the canisters will be further aft than they should be for transport mode, but will be correct for firing position. A small price to pay to have it safely stowed for moving around before display (IMHO).
timjake78
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Posted: Sunday, April 28, 2019 - 06:20 AM UTC
Pretty much finished up, will have some pics probably later today.
Another error in the instructions - the length called out for the wire cables is wrong. It calls for 85mm, they need to be 95mm. So, I measured twice, cut once, and came up 10mm short because I used the instructions, not actually measuring on the kit.
**edit**
I uploaded 4 pics to my gallery, along with a group shot of this SA-12/23 with Trumpeter's SA-4 and SA-6..
Another error in the instructions - the length called out for the wire cables is wrong. It calls for 85mm, they need to be 95mm. So, I measured twice, cut once, and came up 10mm short because I used the instructions, not actually measuring on the kit.
**edit**
I uploaded 4 pics to my gallery, along with a group shot of this SA-12/23 with Trumpeter's SA-4 and SA-6..