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MiniArt: Railway Wagon 18t "NTV" Type
varanusk
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 10:57 AM UTC
MiniArt is preparing a new Railway Covered Goods Wagon 18t "NTV" Type.
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m4sherman
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 11:02 AM UTC
Interesting. A lot of rail stuff's been coming out lately.
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 12:02 PM UTC
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Interesting. A lot of rail stuff's been coming out lately.
Agreed!
Removed by original poster on 12/19/18 - 02:45:29 (GMT).
obg153
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 02:48 PM UTC
The detail looks good. I can see a couple of these going in the stash. Any word on when they will be available?
brekinapez
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Posted: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 - 03:10 PM UTC
I'm going to run out of long, horizontal display space very soon.
bill_c
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 05:01 AM UTC
Fred will likely agree with me that you can't have too much rolling stock. 
165thspc
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 10:28 AM UTC
MORE, More, more . . . . . .
digger303
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 10:58 AM UTC
I can't see any braking system included. Did these indeed have brakes ? Must have surely. 
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 - 11:40 PM UTC
That is a good question. One would expect such a system. However, it is possible they did not provide it on these light wagons. From the Loco the first wagon after would be provided with a brake for sure. The following wagons, e.g. the NTV type with no brakes would be covered with a wagon provided with a handbrake. Seems rare, but was still common practice in those days. A long train had, depending on the length, multiple brake wagons in such a case. Like 10 wagons type NTV, wagon with a brake, 10 NTV followed by wagon with a brake. Communication on when to brake was done with flags or signals from the loco whistle. Speed of those trains was not very fast, between 40 / 60 KMH.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
vettejack
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 12:43 AM UTC
Silly me, and here I thought I could put the wallet away... 
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 03:51 AM UTC
There is a laguna in understanding how railways worked in the old days. Initially set up by the military, for sure this goes for Europe, the discipline and approach made it a clockwork operation and took it to a level where privateers came to the point to invest.
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Robert Jan
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
ilfil62
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 05:24 AM UTC
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I can't see any braking system included. Did these indeed have brakes ? Must have surely.
Some have brakes, some don't have. I bet they will launch soon one with brakes too.
165thspc
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 06:03 AM UTC
Interesting Jay - I have never seen the word "laguna" used in that manor but it is way cool!
Makes perfect sense - meaning a "disconnect" or "blocked from understanding"!
Makes perfect sense - meaning a "disconnect" or "blocked from understanding"!
165thspc
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 06:10 AM UTC
Do not see an air line in those photographs which would indicate "no brakes".
In those days you interspersed "braking vans" into the overall train. That meaning goods wagons with mechanically applied brakes and a small shelter for the operator. As said above, braking instructions would be relayed to the rest of the train using either colored flags or whistle codes.
In the US every car had mechanical brakes and a brake wheel jutting up above the roof of the car. Brakemen would actually jump from car to car tightening or loosening these mechanical brakes again based on whistle signals and experience.
In those days you interspersed "braking vans" into the overall train. That meaning goods wagons with mechanically applied brakes and a small shelter for the operator. As said above, braking instructions would be relayed to the rest of the train using either colored flags or whistle codes.
In the US every car had mechanical brakes and a brake wheel jutting up above the roof of the car. Brakemen would actually jump from car to car tightening or loosening these mechanical brakes again based on whistle signals and experience.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 06:59 AM UTC
German, I think, style brakemans shelter.
165thspc
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 07:06 AM UTC
Nice shots - good find!
ilfil62
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 10:00 AM UTC
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Do not see an air line in those photographs which would indicate "no brakes".
165thspc
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 10:11 AM UTC
????
I see mechanical coupler linkage and tightening handle for slack adjustment (Handle just like on a bench vise) but no air lines (hoses). Therefore no air brakes.
I see mechanical coupler linkage and tightening handle for slack adjustment (Handle just like on a bench vise) but no air lines (hoses). Therefore no air brakes.
brekinapez
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 12:22 PM UTC
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Do not see an air line in those photographs which would indicate "no brakes".
In those days you interspersed "braking vans" into the overall train. That meaning goods wagons with mechanically applied brakes and a small shelter for the operator. As said above, braking instructions would be relayed to the rest of the train using either colored flags or whistle codes.
In the US every car had mechanical brakes and a brake wheel jutting up above the roof of the car. Brakemen would actually jump from car to car tightening or loosening these mechanical brakes again based on whistle signals and experience.
The comment for the photos were that some did and some did not have brakes.
The car in the top photo does; I can clearly see the brake shoe along the right-hand side of the wheels, plus you can make out some of the associated hose work along the bottom and ends of the car.
The bottom photo featuring the man holding the tightening lever shows a car without brakes. You can clearly see there are no brake shoes at all.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2018 - 07:56 PM UTC
Interesting link about braking systems on trains:
http://florent.brisou.pagesperso-orange.fr/Histoire_Frein_EN.pdf
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
http://florent.brisou.pagesperso-orange.fr/Histoire_Frein_EN.pdf
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
165thspc
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Posted: Friday, December 21, 2018 - 04:09 AM UTC
I was speaking about the photo immediately above with the guy holding the coupler hardware as not having an air hose.
The two photos higher up that Robin posted are brake wagons - they have the small shelter for the brake operator so of course they have brake shoes - they have mechanical brakes operated by the guy in the shelter - still no air lines.
The two photos higher up that Robin posted are brake wagons - they have the small shelter for the brake operator so of course they have brake shoes - they have mechanical brakes operated by the guy in the shelter - still no air lines.
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