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callmehobbes
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 03:35 AM UTC
Im trying to make a dio of Op. Berlin when the British paras were carried across the Rhine by Canadian engineers. The figures are getting there, the base is well under way but Im really struggling to make the Goatley boat (assault boat). Ive some photos but no scale drawings. http://www.cdomuseum.be/FRANCAIS/12_fr.htm
Any ideas of how I could make this in 1/35? My first attempt is really poor (using foil/paper/card) so any ideas are welcome.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 04:12 AM UTC

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Im trying to make a dio of Op. Berlin when the British paras were carried across the Rhine by Canadian engineers. The figures are getting there, the base is well under way but Im really struggling to make the Goatley boat (assault boat). Ive some photos but no scale drawings. http://www.cdomuseum.be/FRANCAIS/12_fr.htm
Any ideas of how I could make this in 1/35? My first attempt is really poor (using foil/paper/card) so any ideas are welcome.


Good luck with that Paul!
I began the boat and got the frame built but was flummuxed by how to make the canvas part look reasonable.
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callmehobbes
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 04:18 AM UTC
That's exactly what I had issues with. There just wasn't the look of tension that it requires. I'm tempted to make it with duro and sculpt the tension in. I've got a balsa 'core' that I can shape the putty round. I'm really surprised there isn't a Goatley boat already available in 1/35 as they feature quite heavily in some of the most dramatic battles of the ETO.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 05:52 AM UTC

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That's exactly what I had issues with. There just wasn't the look of tension that it requires. I'm tempted to make it with duro and sculpt the tension in. I've got a balsa 'core' that I can shape the putty round. I'm really surprised there isn't a Heatley boat already available in 1/35 as they feature quite heavily in some of the most dramatic battles of the ETO.


Yes,putty rolled thin may work between the battens. Lots of small sections to blend together though. I wanted to show paras from my Regt crossing the river in Market Garden.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 - 07:27 AM UTC

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That's exactly what I had issues with. There just wasn't the look of tension that it requires. I'm tempted to make it with duro and sculpt the tension in. I've got a balsa 'core' that I can shape the putty round. I'm really surprised there isn't a Heatley boat already available in 1/35 as they feature quite heavily in some of the most dramatic battles of the ETO.


Why not sculpt the tension in the balsa core and use white glue tissue paper over it?
callmehobbes
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Posted: Thursday, February 21, 2019 - 02:28 AM UTC
Ill give it a try.
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 12:03 AM UTC
While looking for something else I came across this video which may help achieve the look you want. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc_KWf4PkyE

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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 12:34 AM UTC
You can download a few detail pics (if needed...) of a preserved boat here :

http://www.maquetland.com/article-phototheque/7286-goatley-boat-colleville

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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 12:40 AM UTC
I think silk would be the best option here and it can be got at a reasonable price in 2nd hand and charity shops.
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 12:46 AM UTC
Maybe this tutorial might be of use. Using this technique you can get canvas material strong enough to stand up to some stretching.

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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 04:59 AM UTC
The texture looks spot on. What do you think Jerry? Fancy another attempt at it? Thanks for the input guys. Ill post results if they aren't too disastrous.
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 06:29 AM UTC

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Maybe this tutorial might be of use. Using this technique you can get canvas material strong enough to stand up to some stretching.



Is the Squeeze and Seal a water based caulk comparable to Dap Kwik Seal Kitchen & Bath Adhesive Caulk ?
Dioramartin
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 06:35 PM UTC
Way back in the early 70’s I built a balsa-framed bi-plane, the fabric covering supplied in the kit being some kind of tissue paper. As recommended I bought what was then called Dope, applied with a brush and it tightened up the tissue beautifully so you could see every element of the frame it stretched taut over. Probably because I didn’t wear a mask and got very happy doing it, I can’t now remember the technical name for Dope so I feel a bit like one - it’s probably banned now anyway
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Posted: Saturday, February 23, 2019 - 10:58 PM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2019 - 05:50 AM UTC

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Way back in the early 70’s I built a balsa-framed bi-plane, the fabric covering supplied in the kit being some kind of tissue paper. As recommended I bought what was then called Dope, applied with a brush and it tightened up the tissue beautifully so you could see every element of the frame it stretched taut over. Probably because I didn’t wear a mask and got very happy doing it, I can’t now remember the technical name for Dope so I feel a bit like one - it’s probably banned now anyway


Still called dope. Still used among the RC airplane enthusiasts. There is a high shrinkage and low shrinkage.
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 01:52 AM UTC
The tension warped the fragile frame of the boat. I think I might have the paras swimming - the boat is causing me too much stress and is killing my motivation for this project. I might do a different dio with the canadian engineers with the boats in their flat state at a later date.
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 02:32 AM UTC

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The tension warped the fragile frame of the boat. I think I might have the paras swimming - the boat is causing me too much stress and is killing my motivation for this project. I might do a different dio with the canadian engineers with the boats in their flat state at a later date.


Sad news. Take a break and give it a go again later. You may get a fresh approach that works!
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 11:24 AM UTC

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Maybe this tutorial might be of use. Using this technique you can get canvas material strong enough to stand up to some stretching.



Is the Squeeze and Seal a water based caulk comparable to Dap Kwik Seal Kitchen & Bath Adhesive Caulk ?


I think so, although Dap Alex Plus is what I have been using recently. The key is to use siliconized latex; not silicone. The latter will not dissolve in water.

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