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Gritty Finish
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 07:33 AM UTC
I'm working on figures, atm. Faces, to be specific. I prime them, with Stynylrez primer(no reduction) and apply a thin coat of Vallejo, reduced with Liquitex Flow Improver(10:1@15psi). I notice a very fine grit, upon closer inspection(magx2.5). It probably doesn't matter, but I would like to achieve a smooth finish. Can someone please direct me as to how to go about it? TIA
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 11:06 AM UTC

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I'm working on figures, atm. Faces, to be specific. I prime them, with Stynylrez primer(no reduction) and apply a thin coat of Vallejo, reduced with Liquitex Flow Improver(10:1@15psi). I notice a very fine grit, upon closer inspection(magx2.5). It probably doesn't matter, but I would like to achieve a smooth finish. Can someone please direct me as to how to go about it? TIA



Hi, Matthew!

IMO, you're PROBABLY getting this "gritty" finish because you're using products that are made by DIFFERENT manufacturers. It's been my own experience that there are some products out there that just don't get along with each other... If I were you, I would experiment on scrap before I commit to using any products that may not "interact" well, DESPITE the claims that some manufacturers may make... OLD paint may give you problems with "grittiness", too.

It's expensive, but I like to buy and use new, fresh paint, stirred and mixed properly to get the "smoothness" that I desire for my projects. However, I'd also like to point out that I stick with simple methods, rather than using "exotic" primers, additives and thinners. I've heard and read about modelers who've run into problems with Vallejo paint reacting badly with certain "other" products. I don't know- I don't use Vallejo stuff at all.

I DON'T LIKE OILS, either.

Since not discussing airbrushing or "rattle-can" spraying, I'm only going to stick with what I like to do and use when I paint my figures' faces...

I like to use TESTORS MODEL MASTER II ENAMELS when I paint my figures' faces. I NEVER use ANY paint straight-out-of-the-bottle. Once in a great while, I'll use HUMBROL Enamels, but I NEVER MIX HUMBROL ENAMELS WITH TESTORS. GUNZE is too hard for me to keep handy in any quantity, mainly because of the prices and the horrendous shipping charges from overseas. I have a nice set of LIFECOLOR Facial Colors, but I have yet to use them, so I can't comment on their performance. There again, different media from what I have the best luck with. The LIFECOLOR Facial set has some really nice colors in it, but I can achieve those very same colors by using my enamels, mixed on a painting palette. As far as paint thinners, sealer-coats, etc are concerned, I strictly keep them all "in the same family", so to speak; TESTORS paints with TESTORS thinners, TAMIYA with TAMIYA, HUMBROL with HUMBROL, etc. Mixing "un-like" products from "different families" is asking for trouble...

You MAY be running into a problem with "grittiness" because you used your primer UN-REDUCED. Primers, no matter how "smooth" they are, are used primarily to provide a little bit of "tooth" to the surfaces that are to be painted. That's why they're called "PRIMERS" in the first place. I worked in the automobile business for over 31 years before I made a career change. For about 8 1/2 of those years, I managed the Mechanical Service/Repair and the Body & PAINT SHOPS of a pretty large Auto and Glass business. Invariably, the painters ALWAYS reduced their primers with the PROPER thinners, just as they did with their paints. BEAUTIFUL work those guys did... No grit, no "orange-peeling", no "fish-eyes". Their body-work NEVER made any car's paint-surface "look like the ocean"...

I like to use enamels because in my experience, they FLOW much nicer than the acrylics, and they give me a smoother finish, no matter WHAT I'm painting, whether I'm airbrushing or brush-painting.

Don't like the HARMFUL VAPORS that you have to put up with when using enamels or lacquers..? That's what we have masks with proper filters, windows and exhaust fans for...

Good Luck!
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 11:20 AM UTC

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I'm working on figures, atm. Faces, to be specific. I prime them, with Stynylrez primer(no reduction) and apply a thin coat of Vallejo, reduced with Liquitex Flow Improver(10:1@15psi). I notice a very fine grit, upon closer inspection(magx2.5). It probably doesn't matter, but I would like to achieve a smooth finish. Can someone please direct me as to how to go about it? TIA



Hi, Matthew!

IMO, you're PROBABLY getting this "gritty" finish because you're using products that are made by DIFFERENT manufacturers. It's been my own experience that there are some products out there that just don't get along with each other... If I were you, I would experiment on scrap before I commit to using any products that may not "interact" well, DESPITE the claims that some manufacturers may make... OLD paint may give you problems with "grittiness", too.

It's expensive, but I like to buy and use new, fresh paint, stirred and mixed properly to get the "smoothness" that I desire for my projects. However, I'd also like to point out that I stick with simple methods, rather than using "exotic" primers, additives and thinners. I've heard and read about modelers who've run into problems with Vallejo paint reacting badly with certain "other" products. I don't know- I don't use Vallejo stuff at all. I DON'T LIKE OILS, either.

I like to use TESTORS MODEL MASTER II ENAMELS when I paint my figures' faces. NEVER straight-out-of-the-bottle. Once in a great while, I'll use HUMBROL Enamels, but I NEVER MIX HUMBROL ENAMELS WITH TESTORS. GUNZE is too hard for me to keep handy in any quantity, mainly because of the prices and the horrendous shipping charges from overseas. I have a nice set of LIFECOLOR Facial Colors, but I have yet to use them, so I can't comment on their performance. There again, different media from what I have the best luck with. The LIFECOLOR Facial set has some really nice colors in it, but I can achieve those very same colors by using my enamels, mixed on a painting palette. As far as paint thinners, sealer-coats, etc are concerned, I strictly keep them all "in the same family", so to speak; TESTORS paints with TESTORS thinners, TAMIYA with TAMIYA, HUMBROL with HUMBROL, etc. Mixing "un-like" products from "different families" is asking for trouble...

I like to use enamels because in my experience, they FLOW much nicer than the acrylics, and they give me a smoother finish, no matter WHAT I'm painting, whether I'm airbrush or brush-painting.

HARMFUL VAPORS..? That's what we have windows for...



Thank your for the informative reply. Though it will require replacing my current stock, I will invest in MM. I actually prefer them to Vallejo. The reason I invested in Vallejo to begin with, is that it was the same shade brushed or sprayed.
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 11:29 AM UTC
Hi Matt,
There is the possibility that you are holding the airbrush a little too far from the subject while spraying and having the paint semi-dry before hitting the figure. Hard to say from your description of what is happening but a 'dusty''granular' finish generally indicates that the AB nozzle is too far away from the subject. I think if your primer is on and cured it shouldn't matter if the paint is of the same brand. Once the primer is cured you should be able to put any compatible paint on without having a problem (ie; acrylic paint with acrylic primer)

Cheers,
C.
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Posted: Thursday, February 28, 2019 - 11:39 AM UTC

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Hi Matt,
There is the possibility that you are holding the airbrush a little too far from the subject while spraying and having the paint semi-dry before hitting the figure. Hard to say from your description of what is happening but a 'dusty''granular' finish generally indicates that the AB nozzle is too far away from the subject. I think if your primer is on and cured it shouldn't matter if the paint is of the same brand. Once the primer is cured you should be able to put any compatible paint on without having a problem (ie; acrylic paint with acrylic primer)



Cheers,
C.



Hi!

ABSOLUTELY AGREE with what Charles just mentioned about airbrushing too far away from your subject! Forgot to mention that. Charles, Thank You for that!

As far as my primers are concerned, I very rarely airbrush them; reputable "rattle-can" primers are usually thin enough not to leave you with any "grittiness". There again, I had to do some experimenting to find a good "rattle-can" primer: DUPLICOLOR...
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