I have this kit, will it do to depict a USMC AAV7A1 during the invasion during OIF?
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USMC AAV7A1 OIF
newdriftking
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 11:09 AM UTC
marcb
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 01:12 PM UTC
Could you give the brand, name and product number?
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 05:59 PM UTC
It's the old (1999) Mini Hobby Models bad copy of the Tamiya AAVP7A1 kit. fitted with "basic" (not to say inacurate) EAAK armor :
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/mini-hobby-models-tn-80115-aav7a1--141429
Don't ask me how I know and just check out Pawel's review :
https://vodnik.net/pages/amtracs/aavp7a1wEAAK.htm
H.P.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/mini-hobby-models-tn-80115-aav7a1--141429
Don't ask me how I know and just check out Pawel's review :
https://vodnik.net/pages/amtracs/aavp7a1wEAAK.htm
H.P.
newdriftking
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 06:47 PM UTC
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It's the old (1999) Mini Hobby Models bad copy of the Tamiya AAVP7A1 kit. fitted with "basic" (not to say innacurate) EAAK armor :
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/mini-hobby-models-tn-80115-aav7a1--141429
Don't ask me how I know and just check out Pawel's review :
https://vodnik.net/pages/amtracs/aavp7a1wEAAK.htm
H.P.
Frenchy is correct, I want to show it battle damaged and abandoned so don't want to use a more expensive model.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 11:36 PM UTC
It is a version that was used in OIF 1 during the invasion of Iraq. However, I agree that the kit is pretty crappy. It should be OK for a damaged/destroyed AAVP7A1 though.
BunkerBuster
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Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2019 - 11:53 PM UTC
I used to have the Wasan version of that kit. It's pretty bad, worse than you would think. I gave it to a co-worker who builds models mostly for fun. He said it's probably worst kit he's ever built. Ejector pin marks everywhere.
Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 01:51 AM UTC
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I have this kit, will it do to depict a USMC AAV7A1 during the invasion during OIF?
Apologies for belated reply. The “straight-leg” AAVP7A1 is appropriate for the 2003 push to Baghdad. However, I too attempted a go at this kit and it was so horrible it went straight to the dump.
The EAAK may be worth cannibalizing from this kit. I may give that a try. It too has issues though. It appears to be a copy of Kirin’s resin offering which, while not accurate it was the only game in town. It looks like it was based on some of the initial experimental EAAK before being put into production. Access points on EAAK are all squared-off, none of them are rounded (external fire extinguisher pull handle, fuel cap & pressure release and personnel heater exhaust). The lower aft panels are missing the “skirt” that rises to meet the aft upper plates.
The review states the fit is sloppy but trust me, that’s not necessarily inaccurate (whether by design or accident on kit’s molding I don’t know). For example, one of our AAVs got hit in Fallujah in 2004. The RPG round managed to zing right between couple of EAAK panels on starboard side and slam right into the hull. Penetrated the hull but injuries were minimal due to internal structure/bulkheads. The Vehicle Commander (gunner) said he felt/saw a fireball erupt in the turret. His first instinct was to blow it out! Said he blew a couple times but that didn’t help so he left the vehicle. He doesn’t remember how he got out the turret, just sort of hovered/launched then ran off the bow. He didn’t even remember how he got off the vehicle, he just ran straight off the front not recalling the 12-FOOT DROP from the nose! He stayed with the unit for remainder of deployment and was plucking shrapnel out of his legs throughout the deployment.
The relationship between the AAV and EAAK can never be mistaken as precise or neat. The pain of mounting EAAK is a true exercise in misery. First thing is to attach the stand-off bosses to the hull but, leave them all loose. Some stand-offs are singles, some are doubles, some singles are short, some are long. Some stand-offs get mounted right side up and others mounted upside down. Once that nightmare puzzle is worked out, it is time to hang the armor panels. Can’t recall but (it’s been many years since I mounted EAAK), you either start front to aft or aft to front and work your way fore or aft. Mount the first panel but keep it loose. Then reach under the panel and tighten each of the stand-offs to which the panel is mounted. The tighten the armor plate down and move to next one and repeat the process for each armor plate on both sides.
No two AAVs or sets of EAAK fit precisely the same. If you compare AAVs you’ll notice that the EAAK bosses on the hull are mounted in slightly different locations. Some AAVs have cut outs in their track shrouds so they fit where EAAK bosses were welded considerably lower than what I imagine the design called for.
My tractor, 2003 for OIF I in Kuwait before the push.
Couple shots of AAVs fresh off MPF vessels at LSA in Kuwait. Getting all the serialized gear (weapons, record jackets etc..) to the right tractor was a freak’n headache!
Burik
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Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 02:53 AM UTC
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The relationship between the AAV and EAAK can never be mistaken as precise or neat. The pain of mounting EAAK is a true exercise in misery. First thing is to attach the stand-off bosses to the hull but, leave them all loose. Some stand-offs are singles, some are doubles, some singles are short, some are long. Some stand-offs get mounted right side up and others mounted upside down. Once that nightmare puzzle is worked out, it is time to hang the armor panels. Can’t recall but (it’s been many years since I mounted EAAK), you either start front to aft or aft to front and work your way fore or aft. Mount the first panel but keep it loose. Then reach under the panel and tighten each of the stand-offs to which the panel is mounted. The tighten the armor plate down and move to next one and repeat the process for each armor plate on both sides.
No two AAVs or sets of EAAK fit precisely the same. If you compare AAVs you’ll notice that the EAAK bosses on the hull are mounted in slightly different locations. Some AAVs have cut outs in their track shrouds so they fit where EAAK bosses were welded considerably lower than what I imagine the design called for.
I hope this doesn't trigger you!
Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 04:08 AM UTC
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I hope this doesn't trigger you!
That's freak'n awesome!!! That trac even has the cut outs in the shroud. Looks like step one is done 😵. Awesome!
Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 05:10 AM UTC
Well, gee, I guess I should say thank you. I couldn't find this listing when I entered my stash into Scalemates. Now that I found it, turns out it's a waste of space.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 07:31 AM UTC
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Well, gee, I guess I should say thank you. I couldn't find this listing when I entered my stash into Scalemates. Now that I found it, turns out it's a waste of space.
Uh-Oh... THAT'S happened to ME, before...
Not on "Scalemates" mind you, but just here at home...
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 07:33 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI have this kit, will it do to depict a USMC AAV7A1 during the invasion during OIF?
Apologies for belated reply. The “straight-leg” AAVP7A1 is appropriate for the 2003 push to Baghdad. However, I too attempted a go at this kit and it was so horrible it went straight to the dump.
The EAAK may be worth cannibalizing from this kit. I may give that a try. It too has issues though. It appears to be a copy of Kirin’s resin offering which, while not accurate it was the only game in town. It looks like it was based on some of the initial experimental EAAK before being put into production. Access points on EAAK are all squared-off, none of them are rounded (external fire extinguisher pull handle, fuel cap & pressure release and personnel heater exhaust). The lower aft panels are missing the “skirt” that rises to meet the aft upper plates.
The review states the fit is sloppy but trust me, that’s not necessarily inaccurate (whether by design or accident on kit’s molding I don’t know). For example, one of our AAVs got hit in Fallujah in 2004. The RPG round managed to zing right between couple of EAAK panels on starboard side and slam right into the hull. Penetrated the hull but injuries were minimal due to internal structure/bulkheads. The Vehicle Commander (gunner) said he felt/saw a fireball erupt in the turret. His first instinct was to blow it out! Said he blew a couple times but that didn’t help so he left the vehicle. He doesn’t remember how he got out the turret, just sort of hovered/launched then ran off the bow. He didn’t even remember how he got off the vehicle, he just ran straight off the front not recalling the 12-FOOT DROP from the nose! He stayed with the unit for remainder of deployment and was plucking shrapnel out of his legs throughout the deployment.
The relationship between the AAV and EAAK can never be mistaken as precise or neat. The pain of mounting EAAK is a true exercise in misery. First thing is to attach the stand-off bosses to the hull but, leave them all loose. Some stand-offs are singles, some are doubles, some singles are short, some are long. Some stand-offs get mounted right side up and others mounted upside down. Once that nightmare puzzle is worked out, it is time to hang the armor panels. Can’t recall but (it’s been many years since I mounted EAAK), you either start front to aft or aft to front and work your way fore or aft. Mount the first panel but keep it loose. Then reach under the panel and tighten each of the stand-offs to which the panel is mounted. The tighten the armor plate down and move to next one and repeat the process for each armor plate on both sides.
No two AAVs or sets of EAAK fit precisely the same. If you compare AAVs you’ll notice that the EAAK bosses on the hull are mounted in slightly different locations. Some AAVs have cut outs in their track shrouds so they fit where EAAK bosses were welded considerably lower than what I imagine the design called for.
My tractor, 2003 for OIF I in Kuwait before the push.
Couple shots of AAVs fresh off MPF vessels at LSA in Kuwait. Getting all the serialized gear (weapons, record jackets etc..) to the right tractor was a freak’n headache!
Absolutely GREAT PHOTOS!!!
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 07:37 AM UTC
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The relationship between the AAV and EAAK can never be mistaken as precise or neat. The pain of mounting EAAK is a true exercise in misery. First thing is to attach the stand-off bosses to the hull but, leave them all loose. Some stand-offs are singles, some are doubles, some singles are short, some are long. Some stand-offs get mounted right side up and others mounted upside down. Once that nightmare puzzle is worked out, it is time to hang the armor panels. Can’t recall but (it’s been many years since I mounted EAAK), you either start front to aft or aft to front and work your way fore or aft. Mount the first panel but keep it loose. Then reach under the panel and tighten each of the stand-offs to which the panel is mounted. The tighten the armor plate down and move to next one and repeat the process for each armor plate on both sides.
No two AAVs or sets of EAAK fit precisely the same. If you compare AAVs you’ll notice that the EAAK bosses on the hull are mounted in slightly different locations. Some AAVs have cut outs in their track shrouds so they fit where EAAK bosses were welded considerably lower than what I imagine the design called for.
I hope this doesn't trigger you!
YOWZA!!! I just LOOOOVE photos of the "modern" US stuff!!!
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Posted: Sunday, March 24, 2019 - 01:41 PM UTC
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I have this kit, will it do to depict a USMC AAV7A1 during the invasion during OIF?
This kit is good for a hot day out in an inflatable pool. If I'm not mistaken, it comes with a motor and propeller.
Or if you are into kit bashing/ sci-fi / what if modelling then its a great base to start.
Go with the Hobbyboss series.