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Tamiya M10 Achilles British Tank Destroyer
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2019 - 04:24 AM UTC
Hi all,

I like to see armour looking a tad battered and bent, I think this comes from my teenage ‘obsession’ with the works of Messrs. Paine and Verlinden.

My first build, the Conqueror, had only minor damage as they, in reality, tended not to suffer in the same way as vehicles in combat did. However, the images I ‘googled’ of the Achilles and standard M10s in theatre showed some quite extensive damage so, at the weekend, I went a tad mad, .

Several images showed the 'exhaust deflector' (not sure if that is the correct term, ) was quite often buckled and dented, so I decided to add some damage (see images below).





Had I not already assembled the lower rear hull I would have ‘buckled’ the 'exhaust deflector' more noticeably using a heat source. However, I thought the heat from a candle flame might damage the adjacent parts, especially the towing hook, so showed a modicum of restraint - unusual for me, .

I also decided to represent ‘heavily’ damaged front mudguards, as seen in quite a few online images, so promptly set about mutilating the one-piece upper hull moulding with my trusty Tamiya saw (see images of both rough-cut and partially cleaned-up mutilation below), .













Cheers, ,

G
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2019 - 04:38 AM UTC
Hi Armorsmith,

Thanks for sharing your approach to weathering, I understand your comments/preferences regarding not liking to cover up too much detail, I guess it can result in hiding some of the finer detail that modern kits incorporate.

I have been looking at some images of open topped AFVs, mainly German Half-tracks and SPGs, and the use of ‘chipping’ seems quite widespread, but I tend to agree with you that it can be easily overdone.

Thank you for the continued good wishes, likewise, I wish you every luck with your ongoing build.

Cheers, ,

G
errains
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2019 - 05:58 AM UTC
Oh Man Gareth I do Love Me Some Achilles!!!

It looks like you are off to an awesome start and I'm really looking forward to seeing how you progress. As you started this thread while I was on vacation/holiday I missed most of this until today.

I myself am quite happy to see Tamiya release this kit. The engineering and fit should be top notch. Yeah the naysayers will complain at the simplified details and such but I could care less. As soon as I clear a couple of projects off the bench I'm ordering this one up.

Loved the size comparison with your Conqueror
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2019 - 12:08 PM UTC

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Hi all,

Managed to get a small amount of modelling in at the weekend.

I managed to get the running gear built which, in the main, was fairly straight forward but just be careful to get all the parts orientated correctly. The instructions are very clear as to which was around the parts go but, if you’re a bit like me and have a tendency to remove parts en masse in readiness for a build stage then you will have to have your thinking cap on or else you could assemble parts back-to-front, .

Below are a couple of images of the partially constructed bogies, showing one set with seams and one set with seams in the process of being cleaned up.





The image below shows the completed bogies mounted as well as the drive sprocket.

With regards to my comment above about assembling the bogies with the parts the right way around you might just be able to make out that the return rollers each have two small circular indentations, these only exist on one side of the part, also, each of the main wheels have two small indentations, again, these only exist on one side. In all cases these indentations should be visible on the outside once the bogies are mounted to the lower hull tub yet, it is very easy to assemble the bogies with the rollers and wheels the wrong way around.

As you can see I have added some wear-and-tear to the ‘rubber’ on the main wheels.



Whilst looking online at various images of the Achilles I noticed on a few good quality photos that the bogies appeared to have four small holes, not sure what they are, which did not appear on the kit parts. Not sure if these were missed out on the Tamiya parts, or whether both ‘none-holed’ and ‘holed’ bogies were used but I decided to try representing them by drilling four shallow holes (see image below).



Cheers, ,

G


The four holes are bolt holes for mounting the return roller arm. It could be mounted on either side, depending on which side of the vehicle the bogie was going to be mounted on. Kits don't show them because that would require that the sides of the bogies be molded separately.
G-man69
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2019 - 08:32 PM UTC
Hi Eric,

Good to hear from you again, I trust you had a good holiday…anywhere exciting?

At this time of the year progress will be slow as there is always something to do outside whilst the weather is good, but I shall keep adding to the post as I progress, .

I have to say that I’m enjoying building this kit, it is well engineered and straightforward to build…unlike the Amusing Hobby Conqueror which was challenging in places to me as an inexperienced modeller...also, no photo-etch, yesssss, .

As to the simplified detail, like you, I don’t find it an issue. Having read many reviews of Tamiya kits I know that the ‘simplification’ issue is often levelled at their products but, personally, I think it allows more freedom to the modeller depending on their level of experience.

If, like me, you’re a novice it allows you to build a perfectly presentable model out of the box with the minimum of faff, and it gives the more experienced modeller the opportunity to modify/upgrade within their capability, unlike some of the more complex multi-media kits which might seem more prescriptive in their construction...jumps down off of soapbox, .

I would certainly recommend the kit to anyone, what are you working on at the moment?

Thanks for your positive words, and I trust you continue to follow and enjoy the build.

Cheers, ,

G
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Posted: Monday, June 10, 2019 - 08:42 PM UTC
Hi Gerald,

Thank you for the information regarding the four holes, it’s nice to know what it is that one is adding.

I understand that complexity/cost sometimes dictates the level of detail that can be represented and, I think it’s fair to say that the omission of the bolt holes does not distract from the finished model.

In reality I suspect they’ll not be noticeable after weathering, but adding them was simply my way of ‘customising’ the final model, .

Thanks again for the information.

Cheers, ,

G
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