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Mounted knight from 505 SPzAbt on Leopard 2?
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Posted: Thursday, June 27, 2019 - 11:44 AM UTC
I thought I saw a photo of a 2A4 or 2A5 with the mounted knight paint on. Is my memory faulty? Of course I would want to build a model of that!

Thanks. Lee
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Posted: Thursday, June 27, 2019 - 04:12 PM UTC
Honestly, I think the German Gov't tries to avoid parallels with WWII German militarism.

Although they have used some famous pilot's names from WWI von Richtofen, etc... I really think they have strict rules on that stuff.

But if you get a picture of a real Leopard dressed that way, let me know.

Another possibility would be if it was a Leopard in use by a country other than Germany.
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Posted: Thursday, June 27, 2019 - 05:15 PM UTC
You been playing War Thunder
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Posted: Thursday, June 27, 2019 - 08:01 PM UTC
Some panzer heraldry and some runic insignia have crept into the Bundeswehr.

DAK palms (no swastikas of course) have popped up on the desert camo stuff.

Many Bundeswehr units have their lineages traced back to Napoleon's time or even Frederick's.
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Posted: Thursday, June 27, 2019 - 09:38 PM UTC
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Panzerverb%C3%A4nde_der_Bundeswehr

Lots of insignias, couldn't see any mounted knights though ....
/ Robin
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Posted: Thursday, June 27, 2019 - 11:18 PM UTC
An M1A1 had a knight on the back. A battalion commander, the markings were in the old Tamiya M1A1 kit and pictured in the old Verlinden M1IP/M1A1 book.

You know a lot of those stalking cats in the Bundeswehr insignia are more reminiscent of Tigers than Leopards
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Posted: Friday, June 28, 2019 - 12:38 AM UTC
My memory could be way off, but I think it was only on the tank for a short time. There have been a few incidents that raised eyebrows. Several Luftwaffe jets flew over the grave of a WWII ace a few years ago in a missing man formation. Not publicized, but about 20 years ago, I drove my battalion commander to a German base where they were conducting a training exercise called Operation Market Garden.
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Posted: Friday, June 28, 2019 - 01:05 AM UTC

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My memory could be way off, but I think it was only on the tank for a short time. There have been a few incidents that raised eyebrows. Several Luftwaffe jets flew over the grave of a WWII ace a few years ago in a missing man formation. Not publicized, but about 20 years ago, I drove my battalion commander to a German base where they were conducting a training exercise called Operation Market Garden.

Adolf Galland and Erich Hartman both served in, even helped found the Bundesluftwaffe.

Other World War II officers formed the founding cadre throughout the Bundeswehr.
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Posted: Friday, June 28, 2019 - 02:05 AM UTC

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My memory could be way off, but I think it was only on the tank for a short time. There have been a few incidents that raised eyebrows. Several Luftwaffe jets flew over the grave of a WWII ace a few years ago in a missing man formation. Not publicized, but about 20 years ago, I drove my battalion commander to a German base where they were conducting a training exercise called Operation Market Garden.

Adolf Galland and Erich Hartman both served in, even helped found the Bundesluftwaffe.

Other World War II officers formed the founding cadre throughout the Bundeswehr.


Had to reuse existing building blocks when building the defences against the Soviet block during the Cold War ....
/ Robin
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Posted: Friday, June 28, 2019 - 03:06 AM UTC
The old GDR used to lambast the West Germans in general and the Bundeswehr in particular as riddled with ex-Nazis. As Robin points out, once the West decided to let Germany rearm, you had to find officers from somewhere, and de-Nazified Wehrmacht officers like Galland or Hartman benefited from the fact that the Luftwaffe did not have the record of atrocities committed by the army.

And sadly many of the Waffen SS got off scot-free and continued to celebrate their exploits in reunions closed to the general public until most started dying off.

All that having been said, Germans have done more in my opinion to recognize, pay for and in general accept the burden of their acts during the war than the Italians ("what Fascists? the Germans were the Fascists") or the Japanese. I just returned from a visit to Yasakuni Shrine's museum in Tokyo, and learned that the Chinese attacked the Japanese in Shanghai, and that Japan had no choice but to attack Pearl Harbor because of Washington's sanctions against them....
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Posted: Saturday, June 29, 2019 - 02:14 AM UTC
I guess to remember seeing a picture of a Leopard 2A5 with a yellow Knight on the back of the left turretbasket. But it was many years ago and I don't know when and where I saw it. I look at the magazines with Leo-pictures, but no success.

In the magazine Fahrzeug-Profile No.22 are pictures of a Leo 2A5 with the emblem of the Panzer-Abteilung 507 (blacksmith with anvil).

I'll keep on the search

Regards
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Posted: Saturday, June 29, 2019 - 11:04 AM UTC
Thank you, Chris.
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 12:24 PM UTC
Concords' 7051 has two photographs of Leopards with a Charging Knight Symbol. One taken in 1996 on looks to be a 2A4. Second taken in 1997 on a 2A5KWSII. The last is probably the one
remembered. The Charging Knight charges to the Right and seems simplified

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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 12:55 PM UTC
There used to be a picture of a leopard with the ghost division emblem on ifloating around one of these forums
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2019 - 03:44 PM UTC
I'll order a copy. Thanks!
Removed by original poster on 07/21/19 - 03:08:07 (GMT).
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Posted: Saturday, July 20, 2019 - 01:19 PM UTC
Your link is FUBAR.
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Posted: Saturday, July 20, 2019 - 01:23 PM UTC
direct link to Peddinghaus:

Peddinghaus 1/35 0887 Bundeswehr tankbatallion No 33

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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 10:06 AM UTC
I believe I have found what you're looking for, or at least a start. A Leopard 2A4 belonging to the 3rd company Training Unit in Letzlingen in 2005 had a Charging 505 Knight on a white background on the rear of the turret bustle. Meng's 2A4 kit provides these decals.
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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 02:40 PM UTC

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I believe I have found what you're looking for, or at least a start. A Leopard 2A4 belonging to the 3rd company Training Unit in Letzlingen in 2005 had a Charging 505 Knight on a white background on the rear of the turret bustle. Meng's 2A4 kit provides these decals.


What?! No way! (Checks Meng 2A4 kit on workbench). OK, that is a little bit embarrassing.
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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 09:52 PM UTC
One of those great Cold war reference books by Yves Debay - Allied Battle Tanks - depicts a Leo 1A3 sporting a mailed fist insignia on the turret rear (also an unusual turret number of 4 digits.

If that isn't the emblem of 17th SS PzGren Div "Goetz von Berlichingen" I don't know what is!

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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2019 - 11:58 PM UTC

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What?! No way! (Checks Meng 2A4 kit on workbench). OK, that is a little bit embarrassing.

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