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brno465
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 06:55 PM UTC
Hi guys, just a quick question about the pzh2000 kit.
I'd like to build the thing, but the kit tracks look very badly done and I've read that they don't fit the kit properly either.
I found an article that said they weren't just long leopard tracks, and that there was nothing suitable available aftermarket for it.

Has anyone built it, and if so what did you use for tracks on it ? How did it build overall?

Any info greatly appreciated.
Vodnik
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Posted: Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 07:39 PM UTC
I have not built it yet, but I agree that tracks are useless. My current plan for replacing them is a bit crazy and will require awful lot of work to finish, but unless I find something better, I will try it.

I want to use HKCW individual link tracks for Leopard 1 as a basis, as they fit quite well to kit sprockets. There is not enough tracks in the set for PzH2000, but I hope to hide gaps behind skirts. Leopard 1 tracks are similar to PzH2000 tracks, but are not identical. Most noticeable difference is the shape of guide horns - in Leo 1 there are double horns on each link, on PzH2000 there are single horns similar to those on Leopard 2 tracks. My current plan is to try to attach guide horns from HKCW Leopard 2 tracks to Leo 1 links. It will require a lot of cutting, trimming etc., but I believe it can be done. Tracks will still not look perfectly right however - the inner sides of each PzH2000 track link have "wavy" edges, while Leo 1 tracks have straight edges. But it should look much better than kit tracks.

Cheers,
Pawel
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2004 - 12:42 AM UTC

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The tracks are the usual fare that you would expect from italeri or Revell of Germany, kind of stiff but manageable.



This is not true. Tracks in Revell's PzH2000 kit are rather on the soft side. They are just more rubber than vinyl and feel a like bit sticky (dust particles stick to it, what can make painting difficult). Details are soft and poor.


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There may be a solution to the problem if you consider the pedigree of the PZH2000, the hull/automotive components are based on the Leopard II so with that in mind, you should have no problem finding suitable replacement tracks from a donor Leopard II or after market tracks for the Leopard II.



Wrong again. I don't know about the actual suspension parts like arms and shock absorbers, but all road wheels and tracks are completely different from those used on Leopard 2. PzH2000 tracks are much narrower than Leo 2 tracks. As I wrote before PzH2000 tracks are more similar to Leo 1 tracks, but still not the same. So unfortunately you can forget about using Leo 2 tracks with Pzh2000.

Regards,
Pawel
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2004 - 02:04 AM UTC
I just sanded the heck out of the tracks and then painted them. Not great but usable. The model did win a third at a local contest. Not a spectacular showing, but acceptable based on the kit and my building skills(lack of?). I also used that head-knocker aluminum barrel.
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2004 - 08:38 AM UTC
Thanks for the info.
The rest of the kit looks decent enough, and it's an interesting vehicle so it seems a bit odd that no aftermarket company has had a go at making replacement tracks- I guess it's not WW2 and german ...........
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Posted: Friday, April 02, 2004 - 11:57 AM UTC
Some helpful info there guys. I picked this kit up today. Have plans of putting it on the Faun transporter when I get around to buying that kit.
Vodnik
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Posted: Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 06:39 AM UTC

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Have plans of putting it on the Faun transporter when I get around to buying that kit.



I'm sorry, but it is not possible. You can't do it...

But the only reason is because I already had this idea before and I already bought both kits! Of course I'm just kidding, you can build your models whichever way you want!

Cheers,
Pawel
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