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Why No 1/35 Saracen?
long_tom
Joined: March 18, 2006
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 07:48 AM UTC
Seems silly when it is heavily used, widely distributed, and Dragon already makes the Saladin.
Biggles2
Joined: January 01, 2004
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 08:02 AM UTC
Probably for the same reason there's no Daimler Mk ll! 
Frenchy
Joined: December 02, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 08:13 AM UTC
Be patient...
in the meantime you can even order the Accurate Armour one...
H.P.
in the meantime you can even order the Accurate Armour one...
H.P.
Biggles2
Joined: January 01, 2004
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 08:56 AM UTC
OH NO!! A BLACK LABEL!! 
27-1025
Joined: September 16, 2004
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 09:12 AM UTC
Quoted Text
OH NO!! A BLACK LABEL!!
But it is a Saracen and the Saladin was not all that bad truth be told.
long_tom
Joined: March 18, 2006
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 09:23 AM UTC
Thanks for the heads up!
iamheaminot
Joined: January 03, 2004
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 09:38 AM UTC
Can I say that whilst I have yet to makw my Accurate Armour Saracen I can tell you that it is a lovely kit.
Here is another alternative from Firing Line.
Also somewhat cheaper than the AA one.
Great service from this firm.
Here is another alternative from Firing Line.
Also somewhat cheaper than the AA one.
Great service from this firm.
iowabrit
Joined: November 06, 2007
KitMaker: 585 posts
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 11:04 AM UTC
I have to disagree that the Saladin 'wasn't all that bad'. No inside hatch detail, fire extinguishers that were totally wrong, no exhaust pipe, incorrect air intake mesh, no canvas cover for the gun etc etc...it was crap and no doubt the Saracen will join the ranks of DML black label crap. I notice that they make no mention of the tires, no doubt because they are the same horrible soft DS from the original kit. The Saladin was the last DML kit I ever bought. The worst of it is, other manufacturers will now be unlikely to do their own version which will be a shame. I imagine Takom or Meng would do a really nice job of both vehicles (and also the Stalwart). Rant over.. (can you tell I was disappointed?)
long_tom
Joined: March 18, 2006
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 11:09 AM UTC
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I have to disagree that the Saladin 'wasn't all that bad'. No inside hatch detail, fire extinguishers that were totally wrong, no exhaust pipe, incorrect air intake mesh, no canvas cover for the gun etc etc...it was crap and no doubt the Saracen will join the ranks of DML black label crap. I notice that they make no mention of the tires, no doubt because they are the same horrible soft DS from the original kit. The Saladin was the last DML kit I ever bought. The worst of it is, other manufacturers will now be unlikely to do their own version which will be a shame. I imagine Takom or Meng would do a really nice job of both vehicles (and also the Stalwart). Rant over.. (can you tell I was disappointed?)
Is Tamiya's Saladin any better? And BTW DEF Model makes replacement wheels.
Cantstopbuyingkits
Joined: January 28, 2015
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 11:42 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextI have to disagree that the Saladin 'wasn't all that bad'. No inside hatch detail, fire extinguishers that were totally wrong, no exhaust pipe, incorrect air intake mesh, no canvas cover for the gun etc etc...it was crap and no doubt the Saracen will join the ranks of DML black label crap. I notice that they make no mention of the tires, no doubt because they are the same horrible soft DS from the original kit. The Saladin was the last DML kit I ever bought. The worst of it is, other manufacturers will now be unlikely to do their own version which will be a shame. I imagine Takom or Meng would do a really nice job of both vehicles (and also the Stalwart). Rant over.. (can you tell I was disappointed?)
Is Tamiya's Saladin any better? And BTW DEF Model makes replacement wheels.
The Tamiya Saladin is a very rare vintage kit nowadays.
jfeenstra
Joined: April 24, 2014
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 12:16 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I have to disagree that the Saladin 'wasn't all that bad'. No inside hatch detail, fire extinguishers that were totally wrong, no exhaust pipe, incorrect air intake mesh, no canvas cover for the gun etc etc...it was crap and no doubt the Saracen will join the ranks of DML black label crap. I notice that they make no mention of the tires, no doubt because they are the same horrible soft DS from the original kit. The Saladin was the last DML kit I ever bought. The worst of it is, other manufacturers will now be unlikely to do their own version which will be a shame. I imagine Takom or Meng would do a really nice job of both vehicles (and also the Stalwart). Rant over.. (can you tell I was disappointed?)
All the items you mention are relatively minor things to correct and no worse then many, many kits out there. As for the DS wheels, they are still useable, but as mentioned there are replacements available. The kit is relatively accurate and that is the important part. And the items you’ve mentioned are all corrected by update sets from MR Models and HCKW, if you don’t want to scratchbuild.
iamheaminot
Joined: January 03, 2004
KitMaker: 265 posts
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 02:54 PM UTC
Short answer re Tamiya Saladin, No!
I have made two of them and have two Dragon Saladins in my stash complete with updates.
I have made two of them and have two Dragon Saladins in my stash complete with updates.
brunocollin
Joined: September 13, 2011
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Posted: Thursday, July 04, 2019 - 11:58 PM UTC
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And the items you’ve mentioned are all corrected by update sets from MR Models and HCKW, if you don’t want to scratchbuild.
Sorry for being so ignorant but who is HCKW ?
Vodnik
Joined: March 26, 2003
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2019 - 12:14 AM UTC
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no canvas cover for the gun
They include it now. I actually got two in my kit... But it isn't even mentioned in instructions.
Vodnik
Joined: March 26, 2003
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2019 - 12:15 AM UTC
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Sorry for being so ignorant but who is HCKW ?
It's HKCW: Hong Kong Creation Workshop:
https://www.scorpion-miniature-models.co.uk/hkcw
AKirchhoff
Joined: September 12, 2008
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2019 - 12:17 AM UTC
goldnova72
Joined: February 21, 2009
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Posted: Friday, July 05, 2019 - 02:21 AM UTC
The Tamiya kit was great , for its time . IRC it came out around 1973, (I built mine in 1976 ) . The lower hull was wider to fit the batteries as it had a motor , and lots of scale detail was lacking . That being said ,the rubber wheels on mine are still in great shape , no drying out , cracking or turning into a gooey mess . Not bad for a 40 odd year old kit
long_tom
Joined: March 18, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, July 06, 2019 - 06:05 AM UTC
Incidentally, I was interested in the Saracen for my Dr. Who scenario. I figured it would be ideal as I can assume that UNIT would likely be issued older obsolescent equipment for its operations. After all, they've only had to deal with low-level alien invasion problems for the most part.
davcon5
Joined: November 09, 2008
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Posted: Saturday, July 06, 2019 - 06:47 AM UTC
For that matter - Why no Stalwart high mobility carrier? C'mon Dragon ? 
covkid
Joined: March 13, 2015
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Posted: Sunday, July 07, 2019 - 07:15 AM UTC
totally agree with the stalwart, wouldn't say no to a salamanderas well.
regards jason
regards jason
mshackleton
Joined: December 16, 2007
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Posted: Sunday, July 07, 2019 - 07:31 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextAnd the items you’ve mentioned are all corrected by update sets from MR Models and HCKW, if you don’t want to scratchbuild.
Sorry for being so ignorant but who is HCKW ?
https://www.scorpion-miniature-models.co.uk/product-page/hkcw-saladin-upgrade-set
ALBOWIE
Joined: February 28, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2019 - 03:28 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextOH NO!! A BLACK LABEL!!
But it is a Saracen and the Saladin was not all that bad truth be told.
truth be told it was accurate in basic outline and shape but not in any level of accuracy or detail expected from a kit of that price. It was missing all hatch interior detail, Missing a lot of simple turret detail like rain splashguards, It completely missed the Exhaust manifol and the detail on the actaul exhaust was so removed from the real thing to be not amusing. Good detail kits exist but not one I know of offers the Exhaust manifold where it leaves the hull and feeds the Muffler
Al
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