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Is ther BMPT Terminators in Syria?
Panzerfan
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Posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - 09:49 AM UTC
Hello:

Looking for references if there any usage of the BMPT Terminator vehicles in the Syria's war.

Hope that someone can show pictures in case of.

Best regards
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Posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - 11:44 PM UTC
https://www.rbth.com/defence/2017/06/30/russia-tests-terminator-2-in-syria_792975

https://weaponews.com/news/10938-bmpt-terminator-is-again-seen-in-syria.html

https://imgur.com/r/ImagesOfSyria/4qaVb

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 06:12 PM UTC
All of the few available photos of that "Terminator" probably show the same one vehicle... They certainly appear to do so. From this, I would suggest that there may be all of one such IFV in Syria - so far.

Has it actually seen any combat in Syria? Until someone surfaces some pretty clear and reasonably well-documented photos showing that, it would seem more likely that the answer is either "no, it hasn't participated in any combat action" or "yes, but only in a very confined, controlled and limited role".

The Terminator is expensive and rare, and is pretty much state-of-Russian-art and not much finite detail is actually known about it in the West, and I would wager that the Russians are pretty careful to keep it away from any serious risk of getting destroyed or, maybe more problematical for them, captured and turned over to any of many hungry Western countries for evaluation and testing. While designed to be a heavy fire-support vehicle to support troops in urban combat settings, I am pretty sure that the Russians are less than fully-confident about how well it might fare in the urban "jungles" of Syria - their previous experiences with heavy armored vehicles in tight urban situations haven't been very successful - and the opponents it could face in Syria are better equipped and maybe better-skilled then the Chechens, for example, were...

If one wishes to model this individual, there are kits available (Trumpeter and Zvezda both, I think, produce a "hybrid" kit which would best represent this vehicle). As indicated for the posted pics, the original "urban splinter" camo scheme may have been painted over. The available photos would be one's best guide for painting the presumed "Syrian Terminator".

IF it, or any brother Terminators, actually do see much field action in Syria, we will eventually see some "action" photos - it's the way of the modern world: cameras are EVERYWHERE!

Cheers! Bob
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 07:57 PM UTC
State of Russian art with additional armour to the front half of the sides. Weak point in the armour, maybe? Or design? Reportedly, other new Russian acquisitions have also performed poorly in the field.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 08:39 PM UTC
4S24 armor blocks are available from Miniarm.

http://www.miniarm.com/index.php?category=Accessories
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 - 10:06 PM UTC

Quoted Text

All of the few available photos of that "Terminator" probably show the same one vehicle... They certainly appear to do so. From this, I would suggest that there may be all of one such IFV in Syria - so far.

Has it actually seen any combat in Syria? Until someone surfaces some pretty clear and reasonably well-documented photos showing that, it would seem more likely that the answer is either "no, it hasn't participated in any combat action" or "yes, but only in a very confined, controlled and limited role".

The Terminator is expensive and rare, and is pretty much state-of-Russian-art and not much finite detail is actually known about it in the West, and I would wager that the Russians are pretty careful to keep it away from any serious risk of getting destroyed or, maybe more problematical for them, captured and turned over to any of many hungry Western countries for evaluation and testing. While designed to be a heavy fire-support vehicle to support troops in urban combat settings, I am pretty sure that the Russians are less than fully-confident about how well it might fare in the urban "jungles" of Syria - their previous experiences with heavy armored vehicles in tight urban situations haven't been very successful - and the opponents it could face in Syria are better equipped and maybe better-skilled then the Chechens, for example, were...

If one wishes to model this individual, there are kits available (Trumpeter and Zvezda both, I think, produce a "hybrid" kit which would best represent this vehicle). As indicated for the posted pics, the original "urban splinter" camo scheme may have been painted over. The available photos would be one's best guide for painting the presumed "Syrian Terminator".

IF it, or any brother Terminators, actually do see much field action in Syria, we will eventually see some "action" photos - it's the way of the modern world: cameras are EVERYWHERE!

Cheers! Bob



the First Article links states that only ONE of these has been sent to Syria so far
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2019 - 12:18 PM UTC
Bruce:

You are, of course, correct; that first article, dated from June 2017, does indeed state one... Thanks for reminding me!

It's now October, 2019. I'm not speaking of what was apparently true back in 2017, but rather of what is likely true in Oct. 2019. I've done repeated searches on this subject (as I would love to maybe model a "hybrid" in action in that sorry place) - to no joy. I strongly doubt that any additional terminators have been sent to Syria since that one went there over 2 years ago. As no new "in action" photos showing the type in combat have emerged over 2 years, I think it reasonable to believe that only one is in Syria, and that that one is kept pretty close and guarded and not exposed to much risk of damage or capture. That, or, if any additional have shipped to Syria, they have seen no known (and photographed) action. The OP is seeking about "in-action photos of Terminators in Syria". There are none apparently available. I think because there are but one closely-held Terminator in Syria as of Oct. 2019 - one which has not seen real action. I would LOVE to be WRONG about this and see some nice pics emerge...!

Cheers! Bob :-)
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