I uploaded some additional photos of the M1064 interior here: M1064.
I also took some shots of the external fuel tanks for the M113A3 series vehicles here: M113A3.
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M1064 120mm Mortar Carrier detail photos
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 01:05 PM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 02:31 PM UTC
Alright thanks Rob! These will be great for whenever I finally pick up that resin conversion kit for the Incoming campaign.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 03:27 PM UTC
Great. I like the mortar stuff and the shots of the external tanks show off the gap which I assume is common to all M113 external tanks.
Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 04:49 PM UTC
Yes, the fuel tanks are the same. That's why I took photos of a couple different ones. Of course the true experts will point out the errors of my statement.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 11:30 PM UTC
This is actually an XM1064 based on the M113A2 chassis. The M1064A3 is based on the M113A3 chassis and has the steering yoke vs. the laterals and the turbo charged engine. But I'm not an expert mind you, just fairly familiar with some pieces of modern US armor.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 12:56 AM UTC
And I have been fortunate enough to have crawled thru that particular track!
Thanks again for all that you do Rob!
Thanks again for all that you do Rob!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 02:04 AM UTC
A cut and paste from something I posted on ML a while back:
According to Hunnicutt's 'Bradley', which is a great source of info on the M113 series(and is priced very reasonably at Walmart.com):
"Later, some of the 107mm mortar carriers were upgraded by modifying the turntable and ammunition racks and installing the 120mm mortar M121. As on the earlier vehicles, a separate base plate was carried to permit firing the mortar from the ground. Designated as the 120mm self-propelled mortar carrier M1064, it was manned by a crew of four including the driver. Like on the M107mm mortar carrier, the 120mm weapon fired towards the rear with a maximum traverse of 90 degrees. The M1064 also was fitted with the external fuel tanks. When the RISE power train was installed in the vehicles, the designation was changed to the 120mm self-propelled mortar carrier M1064A3."
And from TACOM:
"Today's M113 fleet includes a mix of these A2 variants together with other derivatives equipped with the most recent A3 RISE (Reliability Improvements for Selected Equipment) package. The standard RISE package includes an upgraded propulsion system (turbocharged engine and new transmission), greatly improved driver controls (new power brakes and conventional steering controls), external fuel tanks, and 200 AMP alternator with 4 batteries. Additional A3 improvements, include incorporation of spall liners and provisions for mounting external armor."
That explains the 2 variants of the M1064. Just what I've read. Never seen one of these in real life. Maybe someday travels will take me up Rob's way.
Paul
According to Hunnicutt's 'Bradley', which is a great source of info on the M113 series(and is priced very reasonably at Walmart.com):
"Later, some of the 107mm mortar carriers were upgraded by modifying the turntable and ammunition racks and installing the 120mm mortar M121. As on the earlier vehicles, a separate base plate was carried to permit firing the mortar from the ground. Designated as the 120mm self-propelled mortar carrier M1064, it was manned by a crew of four including the driver. Like on the M107mm mortar carrier, the 120mm weapon fired towards the rear with a maximum traverse of 90 degrees. The M1064 also was fitted with the external fuel tanks. When the RISE power train was installed in the vehicles, the designation was changed to the 120mm self-propelled mortar carrier M1064A3."
And from TACOM:
"Today's M113 fleet includes a mix of these A2 variants together with other derivatives equipped with the most recent A3 RISE (Reliability Improvements for Selected Equipment) package. The standard RISE package includes an upgraded propulsion system (turbocharged engine and new transmission), greatly improved driver controls (new power brakes and conventional steering controls), external fuel tanks, and 200 AMP alternator with 4 batteries. Additional A3 improvements, include incorporation of spall liners and provisions for mounting external armor."
That explains the 2 variants of the M1064. Just what I've read. Never seen one of these in real life. Maybe someday travels will take me up Rob's way.
Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 02:31 AM UTC
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Better hurry. I was on the phone with my successor yesterday. I know basically nothing about the M106A2 beyond standard M113A2 knowledge. Other than having the M1064 (and being able to tell the difference between an A2's laterals and an A3's yoke), that's my only contact with one. I do own the Hunnicutt Bradley book, but I haven't paid much attention to the mortar track section. It is doubtful this particular track has rolled more than a mile since arriving at my site. It was the first new piece of equipment to arrive after I took command in August 2001.Maybe someday travels will take me up Rob's way.
Kevin, if you ever decide to order the M1064 conversion set, let me know and I'll split shipping with you. I still need to try to drag that 120mm out for you to take a gander at someday.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 04:49 AM UTC
Interesting to note the position of the lifting eye between photos M1064-011 and 014. Would this be due to rebuilt M113A2 vs new M113A3 hull?
FWIW I made the master for the Maple Leaf Models M113 External Tank, but it comes with the Canadian style tail-light guard. A good US style one can be found on Yoshida Design's M113 detail set. If you are using Academy external tanks, the need to be, hmm, how to explain it properly... If you look at it from the side view, they need to be increased in length, ie, made 'thicker'. I've got some measurements somewhere. But adding the extra thickness helps it look a little better. Haven't checked the Tamiya ones yet.
Cheers,
Jim
FWIW I made the master for the Maple Leaf Models M113 External Tank, but it comes with the Canadian style tail-light guard. A good US style one can be found on Yoshida Design's M113 detail set. If you are using Academy external tanks, the need to be, hmm, how to explain it properly... If you look at it from the side view, they need to be increased in length, ie, made 'thicker'. I've got some measurements somewhere. But adding the extra thickness helps it look a little better. Haven't checked the Tamiya ones yet.
Cheers,
Jim
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Posted: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 05:32 AM UTC
Actually both ot those vehicles are M113A3 and not the M1064. The M1064 is tarped off and the wind was playing havoc with me trying to remove it. I took photos of two of my M113A3s that don't get tarped off. The M1064 has the same seam between the hull as do the M113A3s though. Good eye, I didn't notice the lifting hook difference. I'll go see where the other A3 and the M1064 have their lifting eyes.
I added a photo fo the M1064 fuel cell from above. Some vehicles just differed slightly in where the lifting eyes were.
I added a photo fo the M1064 fuel cell from above. Some vehicles just differed slightly in where the lifting eyes were.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 07:57 AM UTC
Rob thanks,
I just need a pic of the leveling gear on the (your M191) bipod for my M190 bipod. The army and the manufacturer tell me that that info is restricted distribution. Like it is a brand new weapon and that it is still (if ever) classified.? I just can't find a clear picture of it on the internet. (But I can find everything else on it!) I could also use a pic of the sighting unit (if possible) as well as the markings on the cannon itself.
My M120 ground mount conversion is well in process however it is currently on hold due to 'modeler's block' and a WWI Model T truck on the bench for the fun of it. The MR mortar kit is a let-down.
Would be great to see your M121 before you PCS.... I know that you've got much stronger guys up there with you, but I'm not an antique 11Bravo just yet if you needed a hand getting it out of the AR and/or I'm not that large of a target that I could not squeeze into the tight confines of your AR.
Would very much appreciate it....
I just need a pic of the leveling gear on the (your M191) bipod for my M190 bipod. The army and the manufacturer tell me that that info is restricted distribution. Like it is a brand new weapon and that it is still (if ever) classified.? I just can't find a clear picture of it on the internet. (But I can find everything else on it!) I could also use a pic of the sighting unit (if possible) as well as the markings on the cannon itself.
My M120 ground mount conversion is well in process however it is currently on hold due to 'modeler's block' and a WWI Model T truck on the bench for the fun of it. The MR mortar kit is a let-down.
Would be great to see your M121 before you PCS.... I know that you've got much stronger guys up there with you, but I'm not an antique 11Bravo just yet if you needed a hand getting it out of the AR and/or I'm not that large of a target that I could not squeeze into the tight confines of your AR.
Would very much appreciate it....