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Making grab handles?
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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 08:03 AM UTC


One picture is worth a thousand words... and that video is worth a thousand pictures!

Cheers!🍺
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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 08:33 AM UTC
https://thesmallshop.com/collections/photo-etch-rolling-and-forming-tools/products/sms013-photo-etch-bending-tool-wire-assist-bending-comb

https://thesmallshop.com/collections/photo-etch-rolling-and-forming-tools/products/sms008-photo-etch-bending-tool-the-wrangler-wire-forming-tool

Of course you can improvise tools for bending wire to make grab handles, but it's nice to have a tool that does multiple sizes like this.
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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 12:31 PM UTC
In my opinion the handles shown on the side of that SU-100 at the 3:30 mark in the Historex Agents video look like c-r-a-p.
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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 12:42 PM UTC

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One picture is worth a thousand words... and that video is worth a thousand pictures!

Cheers!🍺
—mike


Several thousand pictures (frames), depending on what its FPS rate is!
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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 02:42 PM UTC

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In my opinion the handles shown on the side of that SU-100 at the 3:30 mark in the Historex Agents video look like c-r-a-p.
/ Robin


Yeah . . . Not what I would choose to show off a product.

KL
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babaoriley
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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 07:14 PM UTC

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In my opinion the handles shown on the side of that SU-100 at the 3:30 mark in the Historex Agents video look like c-r-a-p.
/ Robin


I find the work there rather sloppy, to put it mildly. But that's the user, not the tool. He could have formed tighter bends and cut them to length more carefully and attached them better too.

Or perhaps his model is meant to depict a vehicle built Monday morning at the factory when everyone was hung over.
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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 12:58 AM UTC

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In my opinion the handles shown on the side of that SU-100 at the 3:30 mark in the Historex Agents video look like c-r-a-p.
/ Robin


I believe that was the point of the video: to inspire modelers to do a better job. if the grab handles came out perfect, some might be intimidated and take up another hobby such as knitting or basket-weaving. as it stands, Everyone knows they can do a better job!


You have got to be joking.

The purpose of the video was to showcase tools that Historex sells. Those tools are supposed to allow the modeler to go from sort-of-rectangular-and-almost-the-same-size to damn-near-perfect. If the viewer can already get the video's results hand bending wire over a screwdriver blade, why would he need to spend money on a fancy tool? They WANT the resulting handles to be perfect to convince people to spend money.

You don't "inspire" someone with mediocre skills to improve by showing them that spending money merely gets them a different kind of mediocre result.

KL
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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 01:19 AM UTC
Pliers with serrated jaws or the flat plate with holes are my methods.
When I need square corners I use a small hammer, a small vice or other pliers to clamp down on the corners.

Softer wire makes it easier.
/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 02:39 AM UTC

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In my opinion the handles shown on the side of that SU-100 at the 3:30 mark in the Historex Agents video look like c-r-a-p.
/ Robin


I believe that was the point of the video: to inspire modelers to do a better job. if the grab handles came out perfect, some might be intimidated and take up another hobby such as knitting or basket-weaving. as it stands, Everyone knows they can do a better job!


Please, it's not the first of April.

Those small handles mounted in a row are very poor. This is meant to be a promotional video extolling the virtues of the grab handles created by the tools made by The Small Shop and as such should be perfect examples of what is achievable. in that context it fails miserably.
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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 04:06 AM UTC
A poor workman might blame his tools,
a good workman will not use bad tools.

Those who know their way around tools can make tools perform tasks they were not originally intended for
but a bad tool will always be a bad tool.

And, as the software engineer Grady Booch said:
A fool with a tool is still a fool


/ Robin
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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 10:47 AM UTC

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most advertising is jibberish once processed.


I'm getting the same feeling from your posts to be perfectly frank....

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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 02:08 PM UTC

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most advertising is jibberish once processed.


I'm getting the same feeling from your posts to be perfectly frank....



all of them, or just ones which you don't understand or agree?

wasn't there something in the registration agreement about personal attacks? or was that one of those grey areas afforded to the chosen few?


He's not attacking you personally. He's saying that a number of your posts are gibberish. There's a significant difference between the two.

KL
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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 03:05 PM UTC
For the life of me, I don't know why simple discussions devolve so. Old school VS new school, my way is better etc... A simple presentation of possible solutions would be a good thing. The readers could evaluate their own skill/ experience level and choose a method to pursue. I don't see how we could feel wronged by describing a technique or slighted by someone else providing a different process. The more options, the better. I appreciate it when someone puts a helpful link or photographic example. I do agree that the small shop tool video showed an easy way to make a grab handle but also demonstrated that it can produce inconsistent results. what you don't know is the skill level of the user in the video. Was that the first time they used the tool? Where I work we have an agreement in all meetings, "assume the best intentions" We are honest in what we say and hold others accountable if their intent becomes personal. I am suggesting a little reflection on making future discussions a little more agreeable and that starts with us, not the other guy.
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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 03:48 PM UTC

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For the life of me, I don't know why simple discussions devolve so. Old school VS new school, my way is better etc... I don't see how we could feel wronged by describing a technique or slighted by someone else providing a different process.


That's not what this was, or is, at all.


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I do agree that the small shop tool video showed an easy way to make a grab handle but also demonstrated that it can produce inconsistent results.


Yes, and several people noted that this was an unusual, if not a detrimental, thing to put in a sales video. One guy took some other view that is quite inexplicable. That's all this is.


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What you don't know is the skill level of the user in the video. Was that the first time they used the tool?


That is exactly the point: A sales video should always show the product in the best light. Viewers naturally assume that what they see in promotional material is the best the product can do. Why would anyone show substandard results? In a sales video you want to convince the viewer that with the product, they too can improve their results. This video, while incidentally demonstrating how the tools works, shows such mediocre results that people are going to think, "That must be the best it can do."

KL

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