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Egyptian T10 ?

TopSmith

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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2019 - 04:02 PM UTC
I am planning on building an Egyptian T10. Which kit would be the best representation? Accuracy is important to me.

grunt136mike

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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2019 - 04:39 PM UTC
Hi;
Just about the only kit is going to be Trumpeter !
Now if you look at the T-10M then there is Both Trumpeter and Meng !! Now if my Memory serves me rite the Egyptian Army had more JS-3s in there Armored force which would be A better choice if say the 1967 war was the Setting !
CHEERS; MIKE.
Just about the only kit is going to be Trumpeter !
Now if you look at the T-10M then there is Both Trumpeter and Meng !! Now if my Memory serves me rite the Egyptian Army had more JS-3s in there Armored force which would be A better choice if say the 1967 war was the Setting !
CHEERS; MIKE.

Posted: Friday, December 20, 2019 - 04:55 PM UTC
If accuracy is important, according to Wikipedia:
The T-10 was never exported outside of the Soviet Union.[6]
Some older western sources claim[7][8] that the T-10 was exported to Syria and/or Egypt, however no photographic evidence of it in service or combat has come to light.
IS 3M appropriate for Egypt in the 6 day war.
Cheers,
The T-10 was never exported outside of the Soviet Union.[6]
Some older western sources claim[7][8] that the T-10 was exported to Syria and/or Egypt, however no photographic evidence of it in service or combat has come to light.
IS 3M appropriate for Egypt in the 6 day war.
Cheers,

b2nhvi

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Posted: Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 12:17 AM UTC
Im sure if Egypt or Syria had had T-10s Israel would have showed us in 1968.
panamadan

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Posted: Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 01:45 AM UTC
They had JS-3 not T-10s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-10_tank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-10_tank

BootsDMS

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Posted: Saturday, December 21, 2019 - 04:08 AM UTC
Greg,
In addition to the earlier confirmation, the excellent book on the T10 series by Messrs Kinnear and Sewell would also agree that none were exported.
However, for an Egyptian JS3 you should still go for a Trumpeter model - their "Russian Heavy Tank IS-3M" model number 00316.
Whilst it is one of their earlier kits it still builds up into a nice model; Friul tracks will help. It also comes with Egyptian markings.
Brian
In addition to the earlier confirmation, the excellent book on the T10 series by Messrs Kinnear and Sewell would also agree that none were exported.
However, for an Egyptian JS3 you should still go for a Trumpeter model - their "Russian Heavy Tank IS-3M" model number 00316.
Whilst it is one of their earlier kits it still builds up into a nice model; Friul tracks will help. It also comes with Egyptian markings.
Brian

TopSmith

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Posted: Sunday, December 22, 2019 - 10:12 PM UTC
The trumpeter kit is better than Tamiya's JS-3?

Bravo1102

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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 12:00 AM UTC
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The trumpeter kit is better than Tamiya's JS-3?
It's the right version. The Tamiya is a 1945 version. Trumpeter is the IS-3m which is the version that Egypt had.

TopSmith

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Posted: Monday, December 23, 2019 - 03:16 AM UTC
Roger that.


KurtLaughlin

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Posted: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 04:15 AM UTC
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The trumpeter kit is better than Tamiya's JS-3?
I had them both at one time and thought that they were comparable. Different areas are simplified on each. It was one of Trumpeter's first good kits.
Some claim that Trumpeter copied the Tamiya model but the sprue layouts and parts breakdowns are different. Maybe they did copy the Japanese product but both have the same 2000-era level of simplification that can be worked over to whatever level of fun you enjoy.
KL

18Bravo

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Posted: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 05:44 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextThe trumpeter kit is better than Tamiya's JS-3?
It's the right version. The Tamiya is a 1945 version. Trumpeter is the IS-3m which is the version that Egypt had.
Indeed. I Jumped on the Tamiya kit when it first came out, and had to get the Jaguar upgraded hull for it. Nice hunk of resin.


MassimoTessitori

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Posted: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 - 05:39 PM UTC
I've built the kit of Trumpeter as a tank of the Egyptian army years ago. It is a nice enough kit, surely inspired by the Tamiya one.
I can complain that the track had to be shortened by a pair of links (luckily the skirts allowed to hide the junction), that there were a pair of gaps on the side of the rear plate (easily corrected with plastic stripes), different layouts of lights (you have to check photos of the Egyptian one, that had a protection to scratchbuild) and something to check on the auxiliary tanks and their supports, that were oversimplified. Besides there was something not clear on how a small piece behind the turret had to be set.
I can complain that the track had to be shortened by a pair of links (luckily the skirts allowed to hide the junction), that there were a pair of gaps on the side of the rear plate (easily corrected with plastic stripes), different layouts of lights (you have to check photos of the Egyptian one, that had a protection to scratchbuild) and something to check on the auxiliary tanks and their supports, that were oversimplified. Besides there was something not clear on how a small piece behind the turret had to be set.

TopSmith

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Posted: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 02:51 AM UTC
Thank you all for your help. Merry Christmas.
TheGreatPumpkin
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Posted: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - 04:46 PM UTC
Robert,
IIRC, the Jaguar conversion was to build the vehicle that was at Aberdeen, which had an erroneous T-55 engine deck welded on to cover the empty hole that was there as the Egyptians had removed it for more ammo storage. I think the vehicle was part of the Egyptian hard points along their side of the Suez Canal.
Regards,
Georg
IIRC, the Jaguar conversion was to build the vehicle that was at Aberdeen, which had an erroneous T-55 engine deck welded on to cover the empty hole that was there as the Egyptians had removed it for more ammo storage. I think the vehicle was part of the Egyptian hard points along their side of the Suez Canal.
Regards,
Georg


18Bravo

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Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 03:28 AM UTC
Indeed, their original offering had a T-62 engine deck. However, after realizing their mistake, they did what we wish all model companies would do, and corrected it. I made sure I got the corrected version. It appears to have incorporated the original Tamiya deck into the master.



MassimoTessitori

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Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 03:39 AM UTC
I think to remember that the modification was made in Israel on 3 captured IS-3M, that received engines and decks from T-54s because they were better or more powerful.

Garrand

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Posted: Thursday, December 26, 2019 - 07:21 AM UTC
I built the Trumpeter kit as an Egyptian machine as well. IIRC the decals were for an earlier period tank before the '67 war. The photos I found for the '67 war only show branch-of-service flashes. I used the decals from a Takom T-54B kit, which has markings for Eqyptian tanks during the '67 war. I thought the Trumpeter kit was a little rough in spots, but came from the 2nd generation of kits, which were quite a bit better than their first gen kits.
Damon.
Damon.
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