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AFV Club: Churchill Tank MK.7Maki
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Croatia Hrvatska
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 08:54 PM UTC
AFV Club announced their latest release.
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mudlark
South Australia, Australia
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:35 PM UTC
The sides at rear look wrong, just as in the old Tamiya kit
Klaus-Adler
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Scotland, United Kingdom
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Posted: Friday, January 24, 2020 - 09:52 PM UTC
nice to see a detailed engine, it presents plenty of opportunities for dioramas
TankManNick
California, United States
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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 06:38 AM UTC
You're gonna have to explain what you are seeing there bud. 'Wrong' just doesn't cut it.
Kevlar06
Washington, United States
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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 07:13 AM UTC
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The sides at rear look wrong, just as in the old Tamiya kit
Yes, please explain. I built the Tamiya Mk VII Crocodile (and added a complete interior) a few years ago, and then compared it to an actual Crocodile, and the Tamiya kit looked pretty good to me. But it would be nice to see what you’re talking about exactly.
VR, Russ
ironhull
Venezia, Italy
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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 12:01 PM UTC
I think Tony is refering to side air intake. They are the armored version seen in post-war tanks (perhaps in same very late WWII tank) and the same in Tamiya model.
Hope AFV will include the non-armored version as the make them for the other versions.
This model is a nice news and I hope they will make also the Crocodile with correct dimension trailer (and wheels for a WWII tank)
Hope AFV will include the non-armored version as the make them for the other versions.
This model is a nice news and I hope they will make also the Crocodile with correct dimension trailer (and wheels for a WWII tank)
Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 02:36 PM UTC
Outside of the engine it reminds me of the Tamiya kit.
Kevlar06
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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 03:11 PM UTC
Ok, I guess I’m not seeing what you guys are referring to. The Mark VII was the “late war” version, and differed from the earlier versions. The Crocodile saw action as early as June 1944 as one of Hobarts “Funnies”. The standard Mark VII was a late war vehicle. There are several photos of this type of air cleaner operating in Germany circa late 44 and 45. The earlier Mark III versions were also still around. But I don’t see anything “out of shape” in this kit. AFV club Churchill’s (early versions) are pretty nice kits I think. Hope this one is the same. I’d like a Crocodile with interior— the Tamiya version is OK, but pretty simplified. By the way, both types of tire tread are shown on WWII in action photos of Crocodile fuel trailers.
VR, Russ
VR, Russ
Yankasippi
Mississippi, United States
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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 04:27 PM UTC
I hope that this kit means that later we will get a Crocodile with a trailer that is the correct dimensions. Ive been after several after market friends to make a proper dimension trailer but to no avail! If a AFV Club comes out, I am sure my friends will come out with a trailer to "correct" the AFV. Joe, Im talking about you my brother. (Joe is my brother). To be fair, just as I was beginning to talk to those guys who make aftermarket stuff, Tamiya leaked news that it was going to abandon the Churchill Crocodile.
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mudlark
South Australia, Australia
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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 05:59 PM UTC
Hopefully this works, (having trouble uploading a photo)
The rear section of the side armour is not flush with forward section but set back.
Airfoil
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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 07:24 PM UTC
I could be wrong but if you look at images 4 and 5, there appears to be a recessed area matching the image you posted. Hard to be certain with the lighting but it looks to be inset.
mudlark
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Posted: Saturday, January 25, 2020 - 07:45 PM UTC
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I could be wrong but if you look at images 4 and 5, there appears to be a recessed area matching the image you posted. Hard to be certain with the lighting but it looks to be inset.
Just had a look at the photo looking down onto the rear deck and you're right.
Taeuss
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Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 04:48 AM UTC
Personally I was thinking "Yippie" an update for the nice but long-of-tooth Tamiya kit. The inclusion of the engine is a nice touch, and hey, a trailer wouldn't be too much to ask in the not-too-distant future, I'd hope. I'll worry more about detail accuracy closer to the time that I consider getting one.
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DG0542
New York, United States
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Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 05:20 AM UTC
I believe the plan by RAC was to have it so all the Mk VII and Mk VIII can be fitted out as Crocodiles. Fletcher commented such in Mister Churchill's tank. Also of note the Australian Army had a Crocodile on a Mk VIII, and the Crocdile at The Tank Museum was the last Churchill off the assembly line and is just fitted with the trailer.
TeamNutmeg
Hawaii, United States
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Posted: Sunday, January 26, 2020 - 01:04 PM UTC
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I think Tony is refering to side air intake. They are the armored version seen in post-war tanks (perhaps in same very late WWII tank) and the same in Tamiya model.
Hope AFV will include the non-armored version as the make them for the other versions.
Normally I'd assume they would, as they have no compunctions about liberal re-use of sprues, and that sprue has a lot of greeblies that will be re-used, like hull top hatches and fittings. However, there's also a lot on there that would be extraneous now, like the hull side hatches and bolt heads.
Simplest solution all around would be to make the add-on armor plates... well, add-on.