Saw this at harbor freight, and considering that I know nothing about airbrushes, I need your help.
Is this a decent starter airbrush?
If not, what is?
Would you buy it?
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=32371
Thanks,
John
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Somebody rate this airbrush for me please
Dubanka
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 06:29 AM UTC
GunTruck
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 06:36 AM UTC
Absolutely it is a good starter airbrush. I had a Paasche VL for a long time, it's a good general purpose airbrush for modelers. Use it and get good with it before someone tries to convince you that a $200+ Iwata is the airbrush you need.
Gunnie
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Dubanka
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 06:57 AM UTC
And here is a link for a compressor.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34843
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=34843
m1garand
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 07:00 AM UTC
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?cat=4093&dept=5428&product_id=4021&path=0%3A5428%3A4093%3A3915%3A4338
Here's a compressor with tank for $89
Here's a compressor with tank for $89
CaptainJack
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 07:14 AM UTC
IMHO, Jack always has one, an opinion that is. I think the best ,all around, and simplest to use airbrush on the market today is the Aztec 470. This is a great value for money kit. I have two. Additionally, they are guarenteed for life! There's very few products today that can hold their heads up with pride for such a reputation. I'm a convinced Vallejo acrylic man, and I use my acrylics in an Aztec airbrush. They heav a beginner brush the model 430, but I would recommend the more advanced model for greater control, and overall performance.
Jack Quetzlecoatl (get the hook up?) be a plumed serpent!
Jack Quetzlecoatl (get the hook up?)
be a plumed serpent!m1garand
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 07:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
IMHO, Jack always has one, an opinion that is. I think the best ,all around, and simplest to use airbrush on the market today is the Aztec 470. This is a great value for money kit. I have two. Additionally, they are guarenteed for life! There's very few products today that can hold their heads up with pride for such a reputation. I'm a convinced Vallejo acrylic man, and I use my acrylics in an Aztec airbrush. They heav a beginner brush the model 430, but I would recommend the more advanced model for greater control, and overall performance.
Jack Quetzlecoatl (get the hook up?)
I agree. I really like my Aztek 470.
$89 here and that's for the deluxe set with wood case and 6 nozzles.
Dubanka
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 08:27 AM UTC
OK, now for the dumb questions....
I understand gravity feed and siphon feed, internal vs external mix (thanks to the search) But I don't understand the nozzle thing. Is it a way to spray different mediums? What type of spray pattern should expect from the paasche?
Thanks again, and I'm sure that there will be more q's
John
I understand gravity feed and siphon feed, internal vs external mix (thanks to the search) But I don't understand the nozzle thing. Is it a way to spray different mediums? What type of spray pattern should expect from the paasche?
Thanks again, and I'm sure that there will be more q's
John
CaptainJack
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 08:36 AM UTC
The Aztek system is self contained, which if you're lazy, like me, means much less clean up time. The needles are less prone to damage as well as they are self contained. The other airbrushes work along the same principle with the doulble action, handling the precision factor? at least I think so. The different nozzles by Aztek, allow various functions, suchas base coating, splatter effect (graphics mostly), and fine line for say camouflage.
HTH
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HTH
Jackologist on the run
Kencelot
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 09:20 AM UTC
The Aztec 4709 truely is a wonderful AB. You get a good "bang-for-the-buck"!!!
As Jack was saying above, the nozzels replace the needles found in other AB's. The nozzles have a needle in em.
Here's a good article on ABing with a nice pitch for the Aztec line. Using an AB
I hope this doesn't add confusion for you.
As Jack was saying above, the nozzels replace the needles found in other AB's. The nozzles have a needle in em.
Here's a good article on ABing with a nice pitch for the Aztec line. Using an AB
I hope this doesn't add confusion for you.
GunTruck
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2002 - 11:05 PM UTC
Quoted Text
OK, now for the dumb questions....
I understand gravity feed and siphon feed, internal vs external mix (thanks to the search) But I don't understand the nozzle thing. Is it a way to spray different mediums? What type of spray pattern should expect from the paasche?
Thanks again, and I'm sure that there will be more q's
John
Your Paasche VL will give you wide-coverage patterns easiest right out of the box the first time you use it. Then, as you get comfortable with the airbrush, I'm sure you'll switch to the fine needle and learn to regulate the air pressure with the unit. By thinning Tamiya acrylics 70% thinner to 30% paint @ 25psi I got good enough to spray opaque white lines on a black piece of cardboard as fine as 1/32nd of an inch. That's plenty fine enough for 1:35 scale AFV modeling and acceptable for 1:72 scale AFV models.
I still use my VL for large area coverage since it matches my painting style. It's a low-maintenance brush - kinda like a Tonka Toy Truck - if you ever had them while growing up. You could beat the heck outta that truck and it would keep on rolling. Rugged and easy to clean up. The weakest part of the unit is the needle assembly itself - and you have to be careful not to damage the tip. If you do you'll mess up your spray pattern.
Gunnie
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Posted: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 12:44 AM UTC
I started off with a VL brush some 25 years ago and it still serves me well today. I have tried the Aztec brushes but, I wasn't really comfortable using it. I have several Paasche and Badger brushes and like each equally well. For all around ease of use and dependability I'd go with the VL. Just my opinion...
sniper
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Posted: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 12:53 AM UTC
To complicate things even more (!) check out Iwata. I know they might be a bit more $ but I got one recently (after having a Badger 150) and LOVE it.
Anything mentioned before will give great results if used correctly but what sold me on the Iwata is the level of craftsmanship and quality of their produts. Really, fine instruments. It also feels "right" in my hand.
I am getting great results and am using the brush for things I wouldn't have attemped before.
I think the best feature is the gravity feed cup mounted on the top. You can use a really low air pressure. Also eay to clean and adjust.
Look at their Revolution model. About the same price as those mentioned before.
I got my stuff from Bear Air.
Steve
Dubanka
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Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:08 AM UTC
Not bragging here, but I have one too many hobbies, and the upkeep on them is REALLY expensive.
I just have to find a way to justify an airbrush and compressor to Household Six after buying a 30+ dollar model, 80+ in supplies on top of just buying big mud tires for the 'ole Jeep.
I'm gonna sit on it a while ....patience is a virtue
John
I just have to find a way to justify an airbrush and compressor to Household Six after buying a 30+ dollar model, 80+ in supplies on top of just buying big mud tires for the 'ole Jeep.
I'm gonna sit on it a while ....patience is a virtue
John
GunTruck
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Posted: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 05:13 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Not bragging here, but I have one too many hobbies, and the upkeep on them is REALLY expensive.
I just have to find a way to justify an airbrush and compressor to Household Six after buying a 30+ dollar model, 80+ in supplies on top of just buying big mud tires for the 'ole Jeep.
I'm gonna sit on it a while ....patience is a virtue
John
:) - when the coast is clear...
Justification: The airbrush and compressor does the best justice towards completing the +30 model and use of the +80 supplies. (Shrug shoulders apologetically) Just gotta have it...
Gunnie
screamingeagle
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Posted: Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 03:02 AM UTC
Hi John, even though that ia a great price, you can get the
same set for $48 at BearAir.
I use Iwata airbrushes exclusively and they are fantastic !
But I have to say, that you can't go wrong with a Paasche.
It really is a work-horse, and it will give you very reliable and
quality performance in airbrushing.
http://www.bearair.com/
- ralph
same set for $48 at BearAir.
I use Iwata airbrushes exclusively and they are fantastic !
But I have to say, that you can't go wrong with a Paasche.
It really is a work-horse, and it will give you very reliable and
quality performance in airbrushing.
http://www.bearair.com/
- ralph
Bribo
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:41 AM UTC
I posted this in another thread, but just in case no one sees it there, try out www.dixieart.com. They have really grat prices on badger, paasche, and iwata brushes and compressors.
Bribo
Bribo
otto
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:20 PM UTC
I have both an Aztek and a paasche vl and personally I like the paasche better, but the aztek is SUPER easy to clean especially if you have the cleaning station. I think I just like the weighty feel of the paasche. ...Otto
sgtreef
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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2002 - 12:09 AM UTC
i have to agree with gunnie and Red4 on this one Paasche is a good brush,as is Badger. I myself am a little wary of the lifetime deal. I would rather be able to fix my own stuff then send it off and wait who knows how long to get it back ,call me old fashioned but heck I rather do it myself
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