Which is the more accurate turret for a kitbashed straight M60?
Legend or DEF?
Can't tell all that much from looking at the pictures on their websites. Legend seems to have that 'point' on the right rear, but its hard to tell if the DEF one does.
Quality of molding...one better than the other?
All opinions welcome.
Thanks...
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DEF or Legend for a straight M60 kitbash?
jstarn
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Posted: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 - 08:42 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 - 09:43 AM UTC
Both do very good quality castings, but I always lean toward Legend since I've done so much work for them. Plus I happen to have their M60 turret. It looks great, although I can't compare it to DEF since I don't have one. I can tell you it's light years ahead of AEF Designs, which I also have. But then, you could drop a blob of putty on the floor and it would more resemble an M60 then AEF's stuff.
Posted: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 - 02:48 PM UTC
Hello Joe,
I have found the Legend, DEF and Chesapeake M60 turrets to be very close in quality. In my view, the DEF product is a bit more crisp overall. Another one that you may look into is the one offered by MR Models (MRModellbau).
Respectfully,
Allen
I have found the Legend, DEF and Chesapeake M60 turrets to be very close in quality. In my view, the DEF product is a bit more crisp overall. Another one that you may look into is the one offered by MR Models (MRModellbau).
Respectfully,
Allen
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Posted: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 - 08:19 PM UTC
DEF because of the metal barrel, guality of castings, ease of cleanup, searchlight and t97 tracks included in their set.
I can take some photos of the def set if you want.
I can take some photos of the def set if you want.
jstarn
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 - 02:54 AM UTC
Thank you, gentlemen.
Appreciate the input, but it looks like it's not a question of choice... can't find a DEF kit anywhere.
Looking for the 35025, only one their website show as in production, because I have several sets of tracks.
So, Legend it is, I guess.
Appreciate the input, but it looks like it's not a question of choice... can't find a DEF kit anywhere.
Looking for the 35025, only one their website show as in production, because I have several sets of tracks.
So, Legend it is, I guess.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 - 03:03 AM UTC
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Thank you, gentlemen.
Appreciate the input, but it looks like it's not a question of choice... can't find a DEF kit anywhere.
Looking for the 35025, only one their website show as in production, because I have several sets of tracks.
So, Legend it is, I guess.
Umm, I found two in Germany, totally reliable vendor.
I have been getting my fixes from them for years:
https://www.modellbau-koenig.de/Fahrzeuge/Militaer-1-35/Umbausaetze/Sonstige/M60-Patton-Conversion-set
Maybe there is someone else who needs a set of tracks ...
Cheers / Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 - 03:08 AM UTC
That's not exactly a bad thing. As I said, I have not seen the DEF offering, but a turned barrel is not always the best thing. (I always smile when someone inquires about a metal barrel whenever a new kit is announced) Turned barrels can be a nice addition or upgrade if they have the correct details, which are often impossible to replicate on a lathe and need to be supplemented with PE parts. An example would be bolt detail on the front of a bore evacuator. And have they taken appropriate steps to machine additional details? Again, going back to the bore evacuator, many companies leave out the disassembly notches that are cut into it. Some companies do rifled barrels, some do not. Some do a very poor job of it and you'd be better off upgrading your plastic barrel with some old school On The Mark barrel rifling. Also, it's impossible to put a weld down the axis of a bore evacuator. The end welds yes, if they think about it.
Having said all that, a resin barrel offers you most of those details (perhaps not the rifling) with a minimal number of parts. About the only issue you have to be concerned with is warping, which I have not encountered with any Legend barrels. I think most of them are cast with a rod in them.
Having said all that, a resin barrel offers you most of those details (perhaps not the rifling) with a minimal number of parts. About the only issue you have to be concerned with is warping, which I have not encountered with any Legend barrels. I think most of them are cast with a rod in them.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 - 03:19 AM UTC
Barrel à la DEF
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 - 04:41 AM UTC
Now I have barrel envy.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 - 04:59 AM UTC
That seems to be the best of both worlds regarding metal vs. resin. I think I see the weld line on the bore evacuator in the second photo.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 - 05:37 AM UTC
Robin...I've seen pictures, but thanks. And thanks for the link to Modellbau-Koenig, but with shipping, more than I can afford.
Bob...metal,resin, combination, I have no peferences for barrels, really.
I will be comparing everything against the CMD turret I had...I believe it to be the best of the best.
Bob...metal,resin, combination, I have no peferences for barrels, really.
I will be comparing everything against the CMD turret I had...I believe it to be the best of the best.