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Color used on Australian Matildas
tanknick22
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Posted: Sunday, June 21, 2020 - 01:26 AM UTC
Not sure if I should post this here or in British armor
but any way i want to do a Australian Matilda to go with my Australian Abrams as a past and present and im wondering about the color of Australian Matildas were they British SCC.15 or a color similar to the OD they use today?
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Sunday, June 21, 2020 - 02:44 AM UTC
Hi Nick,

You might find these links useful:

https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/Australia/aus_matilda

http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/othervehicles/aussiecamlw_1.htm

http://anzacsteel.hobbyvista.com/othervehicles/aussiecamlw_2.htm
Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, June 21, 2020 - 02:56 AM UTC
Maybe this would help as well ?

https://www.paintalltheminis.com/painting-tutorials/2019/6/5/matilda-painting-guide-rlhgl-laja4-cp6kt

H.P.
chauvel
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Posted: Sunday, June 21, 2020 - 08:29 AM UTC
Mike Starmer's age-old article on British WW2 colours gave some indications towards the end of it regarding Australian colours. I'll dig it out later to confirm, but from memory the colour was based on G3, modified to suit Australian conditions. Pretty sure the Matilda's we were using here, were in this colour - can't say the same for the other British tanks at the time.
Would be interested to know if the Stuart's used in the Buna Campaign in PNG were in this colour, the Tropical Green used in Burma or U.S. Olive Drab...🤔
chauvel
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Posted: Monday, June 22, 2020 - 01:19 AM UTC
Ok Nick...

I found my notes. Not sure if this info appears in any amendments or updates Starmer may have produced since I printed my copy of his paint mixes, however he does mention a DSW&V liaison letter dated June/July 44 "...the subject of India & Australia using SCC 207 Very Dk Drab overall w/out disruptive. Due to coincidence of nomenclature, there is evidence suggesting SCC 16..."
Now to muddy the water a tad, I did come across a ref a while ago to Australian Service Colour 'J', close to FS 33070.
So mixes:
SCC 207/16: 10xHu155 + 2xHu66 + 1xHu33

Svce Colour 'J': 10xHu150 + 2xHu100 + 1xHu33

SCC 13 Jungle Green: 4xHu159 + 3xHu155 + 1xHu33. This was the colour specified for use in India, Burma & the Far East. I have included it here as another option as it produces a very drab, muddy dk green - which likely led to the development of SCC 16, which is darker than this colour.

Hope all that helps mate...
tanknick22
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Posted: Monday, June 22, 2020 - 09:04 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Ok Nick...

I found my notes. Not sure if this info appears in any amendments or updates Starmer may have produced since I printed my copy of his paint mixes, however he does mention a DSW&V liaison letter dated June/July 44 "...the subject of India & Australia using SCC 207 Very Dk Drab overall w/out disruptive. Due to coincidence of nomenclature, there is evidence suggesting SCC 16..."
Now to muddy the water a tad, I did come across a ref a while ago to Australian Service Colour 'J', close to FS 33070.
So mixes:
SCC 207/16: 10xHu155 + 2xHu66 + 1xHu33

Svce Colour 'J': 10xHu150 + 2xHu100 + 1xHu33

SCC 13 Jungle Green: 4xHu159 + 3xHu155 + 1xHu33. This was the colour specified for use in India, Burma & the Far East. I have included it here as another option as it produces a very drab, muddy dk green - which likely led to the development of SCC 16, which is darker than this colour.

Hope all that helps mate...


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