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Best low priced 1/35 M1A1 out there
oyoy23
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 07:44 AM UTC
I was thinking between Tamiya and Italeri
RLlockie
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 07:57 AM UTC
Seen this?
https://vodnik.net/pages/m1-comparison/m1comp1.htm
Pavel is pretty knowledgeable on the subject.
https://vodnik.net/pages/m1-comparison/m1comp1.htm
Pavel is pretty knowledgeable on the subject.
Johnnych01
England - South West, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:09 AM UTC
That is a great link Robert, thanks for posting. It was very informative. Like Sean I've been meaning to get some US hardware for while so that info was a good indication.
One thing I am not sure on is the anti slip coating. I heard others talking about various things they use, but what exactly is available for people to use that replicates it well ?
One thing I am not sure on is the anti slip coating. I heard others talking about various things they use, but what exactly is available for people to use that replicates it well ?
TopSmith
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:36 AM UTC
In the US there is "Rustolium"s terracotta spray paint that works well.
maximus8425
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:38 AM UTC
Hi Johnny, I'm using VMS hull tex on my Merkava MK2 for the Israeli campaign. It's gone on really easily and looks the part. The picture below is just after I had applied it, it's now undercoated and looks even better. I'll take a picture tomorrow so you can see it undercoated.
TopSmith
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:53 AM UTC
Word of advice...
Do not let a few dollars be the deciding factor for a great kit.
If you are just starting out building kits then , OK. However I have gone both ways and when you see the final finished project, it is easy to tell the difference between cheap and a better kit. I would ask which version M1 you want. If you don't want an interior state that in your question.
Do not let a few dollars be the deciding factor for a great kit.
If you are just starting out building kits then , OK. However I have gone both ways and when you see the final finished project, it is easy to tell the difference between cheap and a better kit. I would ask which version M1 you want. If you don't want an interior state that in your question.
Johnnych01
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:20 AM UTC
Cheers Max, it looks really good and pretty authentic to my eye. You may of solved that issue for me. And even before you put the painted version on in a pic, I can tell it's going to look the part.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:31 AM UTC
I agree with TopSmith. Spend as few bucks more for a quality kit.
I still think the Dragon M1A1 AIM, M1A2 SEP, and M1A2 SEP V2 are the best detailed. A close second are the Rye Field models.
The VMS Hull Tex is good on a Merkava, but to rough for an Abrams. The Rustoleum Terra Cotta method is still the best for US anti-slip coating.
I still think the Dragon M1A1 AIM, M1A2 SEP, and M1A2 SEP V2 are the best detailed. A close second are the Rye Field models.
The VMS Hull Tex is good on a Merkava, but to rough for an Abrams. The Rustoleum Terra Cotta method is still the best for US anti-slip coating.
18Bravo
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 10:57 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The VMS Hull Tex is good on a Merkava, but to rough for an Abrams. The Rustoleum Terra Cotta method is still the best for US anti-slip coating.
Whereas I personally find the Terra Cotta too smooth for a lot of US vehicles. (and a bit out of scale)
Most of the texture I see is very roughly applied. The Stryker series is one notable exception however.
M1A3:
M1117:
And Stryker for good measure - almost imperceptible:
While Bradleys (at least according to my photos) run the gamut from fairly uniform, but thicker than Strykers, to somewhat scattered and sparse:
Back when I was doing an assload of Merkavas I'd use white glue and sprinkle sand in a scattered pattern, as a lot of their early texture appeared just so - scattered.
With most US vehicles I now like to use Gorilla Glue - it's thick enough that you can "comb" those application lines into it with a fine saw blade. Then I add medium from my sand blasting cabinet. A jug of that stuff'll last a lifetime. And it's safe for the environment!
Ultimately I don't think there's a "best" method that covers all vehicles.
Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 11:38 AM UTC
Robert, do you have more pics of the V3 your keeping from me? 😂
maximus8425
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2020 - 09:16 PM UTC
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Cheers Max, it looks really good and pretty authentic to my eye. You may of solved that issue for me. And even before you put the painted version on in a pic, I can tell it's going to look the part.
Here are the pics of the hull undercoated and also the turret. As Gino said and after looking at the photos Robert posted the VMS stuff does look a bit rough for US vehicles. I suppose it will be down to personal preference at the time. I will say the VMS stuff is extremely easy to use. I read on a different thread that there would be enough in the bottles for 2 to 3 vehicles but I would say there is way more than that. I have hardly used any, by the way I have left it intentionally patchy as looking at pics of Mk2's they look very world weary and worn.
18Bravo
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:14 AM UTC
That looks very good. I think as time went on Merkava texture looked more uniform. As I said above, I intentionally mad this texture look somewhat scattered on this early Merk as that's how it looked in my references.
Tojo72
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:39 AM UTC
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Word of advice...
Do not let a few dollars be the deciding factor for a great kit.
If you are just starting out building kits then , OK. However I have gone both ways and when you see the final finished project, it is easy to tell the difference between cheap and a better kit. I would ask which version M1 you want. If you don't want an interior state that in your question.
I agree 100%
Take a look at the Meng TS-32,very nice except the fiddly tracks,could get an AIM, TUSK out of it
Also Ryefield makes a Gulf War version,no interior on #5006
ivanhoe6
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:47 AM UTC
If you want an inexpensive Abrams check out Trumpeter's Abrams. If you can find their 5 in 1 kit it should be under $30.
I have no idea about the quality of this kit BUT it was one of their earlier releases.
Good Luck in your quest !
I have no idea about the quality of this kit BUT it was one of their earlier releases.
Good Luck in your quest !
horrido666
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2020 - 01:10 AM UTC
Rust-oleum 2X Ultra Cover Paint + Primer, Satin Oregano looks a lot like faded olive drab, too. I use it on big projects.
hugoalejandro
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2020 - 03:17 AM UTC
Quoted Text
If you want an inexpensive Abrams check out Trumpeter's Abrams. If you can find their 5 in 1 kit it should be under $30.
I have no idea about the quality of this kit BUT it was one of their earlier releases.
Good Luck in your quest !
Those old kits are almost as bad as the Italeri one, with a lot of shortcuts and simplifications.
Some people can live with those without problem, but the main flaw of these kits is the evident wrong shape of the turret front.
I should put my $$ on Meng M1A1 kit or Dragon M1A1 AIM kit # 3535.
junglejim
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2020 - 05:14 AM UTC
'Best' and 'low priced'. One or the other, not both! If it has to be an M1A1, ideally Dragon would be my choice, followed by Tamiya. If you want an up to date M1A2, consider the newer Academy kits.
Jim
Jim
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Posted: Friday, August 07, 2020 - 12:25 PM UTC
For the texture effect I have used Mr. Surfacer 500, with a stippling action of a flat edge paint brush. It works quite well and yields texture in scale.