voice commo was hooked up in the box at the tanks' rear? A phone type handset or the Tannoy type mike with separate headset?
TIA Gents
J
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Posted: Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 10:12 AM UTC
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voice commo was hooked up in the box at the tanks' rear? A phone type handset or the Tannoy type mike with separate headset?
TIA Gents
J
Jerry,
I've only ever looked at post war tanks and it's always been a telephone-type handset; instinct tells me it must have been the same for wartime Churchills - any other configuration doesn't really make much sense if you're a hard pressed infantryman - wearing a steel helmet and replete with no small amount of stress - being required to mess around with a head set - let alone in danger of being reversed over by the tank itself. As always, when I'm unsure I'm happy to be proved wrong; if you don't get any other definitive response from the huge amount of knowledge within the Armorama community, I'll nip down to Bovington and have a look on their tank.
As an aside I've never seen a model depicting the use of a tank telephone apart from my own efforts when I displayed an AMX 30 with accompanying Infantry some time ago.
Brian
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Posted: Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 12:51 PM UTC
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Quoted Textvoice commo was hooked up in the box at the tanks' rear? A phone type handset or the Tannoy type mike with separate headset?
TIA Gents
J
Jerry,
I've only ever looked at post war tanks and it's always been a telephone-type handset; instinct tells me it must have been the same for wartime Churchills - any other configuration doesn't really make much sense if you're a hard pressed infantryman - wearing a steel helmet and replete with no small amount of stress - being required to mess around with a head set - let alone in danger of being reversed over by the tank itself. As always, when I'm unsure I'm happy to be proved wrong; if you don't get any other definitive response from the huge amount of knowledge within the Armorama community, I'll nip down to Bovington and have a look on their tank.
As an aside I've never seen a model depicting the use of a tank telephone apart from my own efforts when I displayed an AMX 30 with accompanying Infantry some time ago.
Brian
OK thanks mate. I was leaning toward the telephone handset type instinctively anyway. I will just go with that! I am stoked to show it in the scene. I have some other little shown Commonwealth gear coming up as well. I have put my ref book to good use!
J
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Posted: Saturday, August 08, 2020 - 07:38 PM UTC
Hi Jerry,
The following images are taken from the Haynes Manual for the Churchill tank, they might be of interest to you?
The caption for the middle image is the one headed 'Far Left' on the bottom image.
Reading the words on the first image it would seem you have a choice of phone or set-up similar to the crew communication gear.
The spare fuel drum on the back is interesting, wish I'd seen this before building my snowy Churchill, it's reminiscent of Gulf war Challengers.
If the above information is no good, or only of limited value let me know as I have a very thick book on the Churchill which is well illustrated, but I would need time to flick through it to see if they have anything better, so it'd be a few days before I got back to you, and no guarantee of finding anything else.
Hope this helps, cheers, ,
G
The following images are taken from the Haynes Manual for the Churchill tank, they might be of interest to you?
The caption for the middle image is the one headed 'Far Left' on the bottom image.
Reading the words on the first image it would seem you have a choice of phone or set-up similar to the crew communication gear.
The spare fuel drum on the back is interesting, wish I'd seen this before building my snowy Churchill, it's reminiscent of Gulf war Challengers.
If the above information is no good, or only of limited value let me know as I have a very thick book on the Churchill which is well illustrated, but I would need time to flick through it to see if they have anything better, so it'd be a few days before I got back to you, and no guarantee of finding anything else.
Hope this helps, cheers, ,
G
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Posted: Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 02:30 AM UTC
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Hi Jerry,
The following images are taken from the Haynes Manual for the Churchill tank, they might be of interest to you?
The caption for the middle image is the one headed 'Far Left' on the bottom image.
Reading the words on the first image it would seem you have a choice of phone or set-up similar to the crew communication gear.
The spare fuel drum on the back is interesting, wish I'd seen this before building my snowy Churchill, it's reminiscent of Gulf war Challengers.
If the above information is no good, or only of limited value let me know as I have a very thick book on the Churchill which is well illustrated, but I would need time to flick through it to see if they have anything better, so it'd be a few days before I got back to you, and no guarantee of finding anything else.
Hope this helps, cheers, ,
G
Thanks so much man! This is indeed invaluable stuff.
Point of interest,the 1/76 scale Churchill I bought has the jettisonable tank with it.
J
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Posted: Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 03:36 AM UTC
Personally I’d expect the handset to be the type found on a gun tank. The socket affair makes sense on an ARV where one of the crew may need to be directing the driver backwards when trying to hook up a casualty vehicle (otherwise it needs one who can see what’s happening and another to translate his signals into instructions to the driver) but infantry would not be carrying a suitable headset and mike to use it.
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Posted: Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 07:31 PM UTC
Hello Jerry
Going through stuff from my stalled* Jamieson VC project I think you're very safe to go with the regular handset. Resicast make a set with open boxes but they're pretty simple affairs to scratch I reckon.
* There's a photo of the back of the in progress Churchill in this thread. As per Jamieson's testimony, the phone didn't work so I'm going to leave the box open and the phone hanging a bit. The reason it's stalled by the way is that I keep digging and finding previous assumptions about the environment to be wrong...
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/273826&page=1
Cheers
Sean
Going through stuff from my stalled* Jamieson VC project I think you're very safe to go with the regular handset. Resicast make a set with open boxes but they're pretty simple affairs to scratch I reckon.
* There's a photo of the back of the in progress Churchill in this thread. As per Jamieson's testimony, the phone didn't work so I'm going to leave the box open and the phone hanging a bit. The reason it's stalled by the way is that I keep digging and finding previous assumptions about the environment to be wrong...
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/273826&page=1
Cheers
Sean
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Posted: Sunday, August 09, 2020 - 10:53 PM UTC
Weirdly I was researching the tank/infantry comms issue only yesterday! The Resicast Comet comes with a telephone handset I think.
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2020 - 01:30 AM UTC
Thanks Gents,for all the input. I appreciate every bit.
Sean,I was wondering what ever happened to Grimbosq??
J
Sean,I was wondering what ever happened to Grimbosq??
J
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2020 - 03:26 AM UTC
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Thanks so much man! This is indeed invaluable stuff.
Point of interest,the 1/76 scale Churchill I bought has the jettisonable tank with it.
J
Hi Jerry,
You're welcome, .
As to your Churchill with jettisonable fuel drum, I'm presuming it's the venerable old Hasegawa kit, ?
Cheers, ,
G
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2020 - 06:02 AM UTC
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Quoted TextThanks so much man! This is indeed invaluable stuff.
Point of interest,the 1/76 scale Churchill I bought has the jettisonable tank with it.
J
Hi Jerry,
You're welcome, .
No,it was a Minitank kit I think.
As to your Churchill with jettisonable fuel drum, I'm presuming it's the venerable old Hasegawa kit, ?
Cheers, ,
G