Hello friends,
I have just buyed Das Werks's (Takom) King Tiger in 1/35 scale,and there in the box is very interesting paint scheme for this vehicle.
It is noted as:
Number 101
Tiger Auf.B, 1./s.H.Pz.Abt505,
(No. 101-Kompaniechef Oblt. Freiherr von Reibnitz)
In the area of Königsberg,
Germany 10.01.1945.
here is a drawing of it:
So,please,can someone please confirm did this vehicle in this paint scheme existed in WWII as it was written and shown in the user manual of model kit?
Or even better,if someone can please document it with at least one photo of this exact vehicle?
All the best,
And thank you in advance.
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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2020 - 12:41 PM UTC
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Hello friends,
I have just buyed Das Werks's (Takom) King Tiger in 1/35 scale,and there in the box is very interesting paint scheme for this vehicle.
It is noted as:
Number 101
Tiger Auf.B, 1./s.H.Pz.Abt505,
(No. 101-Kompaniechef Oblt. Freiherr von Reibnitz)
In the area of Königsberg,
Germany 10.01.1945.
here is a drawing of it:
So,please,can someone please confirm did this vehicle in this paint scheme existed in WWII as it was written and shown in the user manual of model kit?
Or even better,if someone can please document it with at least one photo of this exact vehicle?
All the best,
And thank you in advance.
Looks like an artist's rendition of partial whitewash over a Dunkelgelb and Rotbraun scheme.
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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2020 - 05:00 PM UTC
That is how I'm doing it, almost no pics of 505 from this time (they were rather busy).
My interpretation is that the green is overpainted with whitewash.
My interpretation is that the green is overpainted with whitewash.
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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2020 - 08:05 PM UTC
Ok,thank you dear friends for those infoes.So, it means that producers feed us with non truth informations,or to say.."what if" paint schemes,even it is not written in instructions that model kit is not "what if".So there is not a single proof that this kind of King Tiger exist.I know that this is now read by King Tiger Experts,and if you know something about it please tell.I am so tired of those "gold digging" paint schemes from manufactures and false presentations.
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Posted: Saturday, August 29, 2020 - 11:27 PM UTC
I also have this kit coming in the mail, should be here tomorrow
and will be doing this scheme as well, as it looks really cool.
As this was a commanders tank it may or may not be photographed, however there were 492 King Tigers produced, with about what 42 or some tanks per Abetilung.
This means that out of all the almost 500 King Tiger tanks produced there are not pictures of the vast majority of them, plus being black and white, the white may not be easily identifiable.
Who is to say if a tank was or was not painted this way? It looks really cool, so in my opinion, just do it, and if you are super serious about historical accuracy, let someone try to tell you that it is a fake scheme, they can't.
Worse case scenario is change the tank turret unit numbers to a non commanders tank in the 505th, even less probability of a picture existing.
Paint what you enjoy and makes you happy!!
Just my 2 cents,
Eric
and will be doing this scheme as well, as it looks really cool.
As this was a commanders tank it may or may not be photographed, however there were 492 King Tigers produced, with about what 42 or some tanks per Abetilung.
This means that out of all the almost 500 King Tiger tanks produced there are not pictures of the vast majority of them, plus being black and white, the white may not be easily identifiable.
Who is to say if a tank was or was not painted this way? It looks really cool, so in my opinion, just do it, and if you are super serious about historical accuracy, let someone try to tell you that it is a fake scheme, they can't.
Worse case scenario is change the tank turret unit numbers to a non commanders tank in the 505th, even less probability of a picture existing.
Paint what you enjoy and makes you happy!!
Just my 2 cents,
Eric
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 12:00 AM UTC
Well,if I dont find any info that this tank actualy existed...for me this is juts a @what if@ project.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 12:43 AM UTC
Yes...if you are intrested in historical accuracy, then yes I vould see where you require a photograph....but I have always believed that the vast majority of kit makers unit paint schemes are mainly fiction.
I dont mean to high jack your thread....and you may have this question also....
I assume that the 505th cut the turrent square out of the zimmerit in the field....if so is the color of the square red primer, or would they have painted it dark yellow in the field?
Thank you,
Eric
I dont mean to high jack your thread....and you may have this question also....
I assume that the 505th cut the turrent square out of the zimmerit in the field....if so is the color of the square red primer, or would they have painted it dark yellow in the field?
Thank you,
Eric
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 03:17 AM UTC
Yes,I only made historicly correct model kits.Those mumbo-jumbos from producers I dont want.I will try to find some references for this,but...the chances are very small.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 04:25 AM UTC
Well that's the modeler's dilemma isn't it? How to be historically accurate with maybe no photos existing, or you may get a (B&W) picture of part of a vehicle. I mean, even museum pieces struggle to be authentic with years of research. So it is that with a model one has an interpretation of reality. I think that if a vehicle was meticulously researched to be 100% accurate - you would never be done and that model would never get built!
So in the end, what 'best guess' are you comfortable with?
So in the end, what 'best guess' are you comfortable with?
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 04:47 AM UTC
You have right friend.
But, if I dont have atleast one confirmation of a trust source that even discribed by words he saw that kind of vehicle,I can not trust a producer...in late time they have some sticky fingers for money and they would make anything just to earn money.
But, if I dont have atleast one confirmation of a trust source that even discribed by words he saw that kind of vehicle,I can not trust a producer...in late time they have some sticky fingers for money and they would make anything just to earn money.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 05:09 AM UTC
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That is how I'm doing it, almost no pics of 505 from this time (they were rather busy).
My interpretation is that the green is overpainted with whitewash.
No green; most of the 505's used a yellow and brown scheme.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 05:10 AM UTC
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I assume that the 505th cut the turrent square out of the zimmerit in the field....if so is the color of the square red primer, or would they have painted it dark yellow in the field?
Thank you,
Eric
They painted it.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 06:36 AM UTC
Thanks.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 07:08 AM UTC
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Quoted TextThat is how I'm doing it, almost no pics of 505 from this time (they were rather busy).
My interpretation is that the green is overpainted with whitewash.
No green; most of the 505's used a yellow and brown scheme.
Horst Krönke's 241 was in a three colour scheme.
It actually is the most photographed of the 505 tanks.
The patch on the turret was DG, the corners on the takom kit are too deep.
Most 505 tanks had one or two headlights mounted on the mantlet.
David Parker did an exhaustive build of the 1/16 kit, with lots of little specific touches
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 07:36 AM UTC
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Horst Krönke's 241 was in a three colour scheme.
That's why I said most and not all.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 08:31 AM UTC
Most likely this camo scheme is build up as follows:
Standard German yellow with dark brown, spray painted, stripes.
During the period there was snow it may have been white washed with brooms and brushes. Crews were supposed to do this winter camo themselves.
Water based lime and chalk were used so it could be removed quite easily.
Also, as spring turned up the rain would wash of the withe wash, giving it a natural appereance.
Therefore one should spray paint the dark brown over the yellow and brush the white thereafter.
The edges would thus become more “natural”.
I hope my assumption makes sense to you.
Standard German yellow with dark brown, spray painted, stripes.
During the period there was snow it may have been white washed with brooms and brushes. Crews were supposed to do this winter camo themselves.
Water based lime and chalk were used so it could be removed quite easily.
Also, as spring turned up the rain would wash of the withe wash, giving it a natural appereance.
Therefore one should spray paint the dark brown over the yellow and brush the white thereafter.
The edges would thus become more “natural”.
I hope my assumption makes sense to you.
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Posted: Sunday, August 30, 2020 - 09:30 AM UTC
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During the period there was snow it may have been white washed with brooms and brushes. Crews were supposed to do this winter camo themselves.
They didn't always cover them head to toe in whitewash due to there being limited amounts at times, or to better blend into wooded backgrounds. According to one KT gunner, sometimes they didn't whitewash at all.
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Posted: Monday, August 31, 2020 - 04:45 AM UTC
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During the period there was snow it may have been white washed with brooms and brushes. Crews were supposed to do this winter camo themselves.
They didn't always cover them head to toe in whitewash due to there being limited amounts at times, or to better blend into wooded backgrounds. According to one KT gunner, sometimes they didn't whitewash at all.
That is why I like this scheme, it is set in January, so green would stand out (I have looked up weather for this period.....mostly snow)
Whitewashing the green kinda makes sense...
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Posted: Monday, August 31, 2020 - 05:58 AM UTC
So after all,it is @what if@.