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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 - 02:48 AM UTC
I read that the British military bought a bunch of American FWD trucks for their military before the USA officially entered the war. So what color were they, how were they marked, etc.? I don't know if the ICM kit provides that.
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 - 04:43 AM UTC

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I read that the British military bought a bunch of American FWD trucks for their military before the USA officially entered the war. So what color were they, how were they marked, etc.? I don't know if the ICM kit provides that.


Take a look here Tom. The IWM has an example, pictured in the Wiki article below. Looks like the standard British Khaki Green. Some nice photos in the article too, including some of FWDs towing the 8” BL Howitzer, which seems to be a common lash-up:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FWD_Model_B

VR, Russ
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 - 05:04 AM UTC

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I read that the British military bought a bunch of American FWD trucks for their military before the USA officially entered the war. So what color were they, how were they marked, etc.? I don't know if the ICM kit provides that.


Take a look here Tom. The IWM has an example, pictured in the Wiki article below. Looks like the standard British Khaki Green. Some nice photos in the article too, including some of FWDs towing the 8” BL Howitzer, which seems to be a common lash-up:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FWD_Model_B

VR, Russ

Thanks. I remember seeing that article in the past, but for the life of me could not find it recently. If no markings, then fine, I already have a resin British soldier driver.
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 - 06:51 AM UTC
The HAR 1 was used to tow smoke generator trailers used in the Rhine crossing. Markings details were in a Tankette article decades ago, accessible if you’re a MAFVA member (www.mafva.org)
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 - 07:39 AM UTC
I didn't know they crossed the Rhine River during WW1.
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Posted: Friday, September 11, 2020 - 04:44 PM UTC

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I don't know if the ICM kit provides that.

I understand the ICM kit represents a US steel bodied item. The British imported theirs as a cab & chassis and added their own bodies as required, usually a wooden GS type.

Regards,

M
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 01:53 AM UTC

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I don't know if the ICM kit provides that.

I understand the ICM kit represents a US steel bodied item. The British imported theirs as a cab & chassis and added their own bodies as required, usually a wooden GS type.

Regards,

M

Thanks for the heads up.
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 05:22 AM UTC
It wasn’t obvious to me that the question was about WW1. Given that the US was a late arrival twice.....
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 05:51 AM UTC

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It wasn’t obvious to me that the question was about WW1. Given that the US was a late arrival twice.....

Contrary to popular myth, the USA did help the Allies before Pearl Harbor, although in secret. Only having Hitler and Tojo declaring war on us could we do open fighting.
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Posted: Saturday, September 12, 2020 - 11:25 PM UTC
Indeed. Actually I wasn’t aware of that myth, given that the USN was involved in convoy escort in the Battle of the Atlantic well before the end of 1941 as any decent history of the battle makes clear. USN sailors on warships also died before the US and Germany was officially at war, notably on the USS Reuben James.
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Posted: Sunday, September 13, 2020 - 11:03 AM UTC

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Contrary to popular myth, the USA did help the Allies before Pearl Harbor, although in secret.


I believe US aid was well-known. For example:

> The "Cash and Carry" policy was enacted in November, 1939.

> "President Roosevelt approved $25 million in military aid to China on 19 December 1940, permitting the Chinese to purchase one hundred P-40 pursuit aircraft." - China Defensive (https://history.army.mil/brochures/72-38/72-38.htm)

> Lend-Lease was enacted in March of 1941.

All of these actions were publicized at the time.

KL
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Posted: Monday, September 14, 2020 - 04:53 AM UTC

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Contrary to popular myth, the USA did help the Allies before Pearl Harbor, although in secret.


I believe US aid was well-known. For example:

> The "Cash and Carry" policy was enacted in November, 1939.

> "President Roosevelt approved $25 million in military aid to China on 19 December 1940, permitting the Chinese to purchase one hundred P-40 pursuit aircraft." - China Defensive (https://history.army.mil/brochures/72-38/72-38.htm)

> Lend-Lease was enacted in March of 1941.

All of these actions were publicized at the time.

KL


Going to war in the 'all-in' fashion wasn't possible due to the home front not being particularly interested in going to war (nobody in their right mind is ....).
The attack on Pearl Harbor changed the domestic situation and the US could enter 'for real'
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