Does anyone make a red oxide primer that i can either brush or airbrush or has a formula to mix it using AK

Take your pick:

Stynylrez: https://usaairbrushsupply.com/products/stynylrez-primer-red-brown

Mission Models: https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Paint_and_Construction/red-oxide-primer/MML00MMS004/product.php?pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber&so=a&kw=primer&co=1

Vallejo: https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Paint_and_Construction/acrylic-german-red-brown-primer-ral-8012-60ml/VLJ00073605/product.php?pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber&so=a&kw=primer&co=1

AK Interactive: https://ak-interactive.com/product/red-primer-60ml/

Im looking to portray on the model where some parts were only painted with primer not to use it as a overall primer

Vallejo 70.982 Cavalry Brown is a match for RAL 3009 Oxidrot



So is Revell Aqua Color 36137 Reddish Brown

Well, make it realistic, lay down a layer of primer and don't paint over it.

Mission Models Red Oxide German WWII RAL3009 MMP013

In my opinion, to make it realistic you should simply not do it... I have never seen a single photo of a German tank in service with a part not painted.

+1

The areas in tanks such as the Tiger I, Panther and King Tiger, below the sponsons and turret basket floors, were left in primer.

That's interior, though. Although the OP didn't say where he wanted to apply it.

That's true; however. Carlos stated that he's never seen a photo of any German tank with a part unpainted.

Interior photos of a KT. Notice the areas below the sponsons.

I wont be doing this to a Panther or Tiger I will be doing this to one of the E Series of standard panzers

Just wondering the backside of the roadwheels,would they be red primer or dunkelgelb or what

Not exactly what you asked but Tamiya has just recently added a really nice shade of matte red oxide surface primer to their extensive line of spray paints; Item #87160-800

I admit it is not quite as "bright red" as the real German oxides I have experienced but it is very satisfying and the quality, coverage and beautiful flat surface can't be beat.



Once I get done adding my pastel shaders to brighten the red, plus dust, grime and oil stains this Takon Bergepanther is going to be a very satisfying build! IMHO

Never thought about the BACK side of the road wheels as being anything other than the main body color. Great idea!

I think this Bergepanther is going to have the backs painted only red oxide.

However knowing the German way of thinking (after all my last name IS Koenig!) they would probably say that given the road wheels are going to be subjected to so much dirt, grime and abuse; they would probably go ahead and shoot the back sides in the main body color.

Finished paint is much more sealing, smoother, more corrosion resistant, protective and somewhat less likely to attract caked up mud that would be the rough surface primer alone.

Engine pull on Jagdpanzer IV:

The fact that I had to shoot this with flash makes it very hard to judge the exact shade of the red color.
The first photo is probably the most representative as the light from the flash is the most evenly dispersed.









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More color reference for original German Red Oxide:

Restoration to running condition of Panzer III at the Patton Museum; Ft. Knox, Kentucky







Please note: Interior of side escape hatch painted Panzer Gray and NOT interior white/cream color for lower visibility when open.





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I'm just celebrating the return to running condition of the Patton Panzer III with these photos! No red oxide reference here but please indulge me.




Crank start using the inertial starter. Crank the flywheel up to speed, pull a lever and if you are lucky the engine starts. Otherwise you begin the process all over again. It's not an easy task. Two guys really have to put their backs into it!






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Interior control for raising the antenna.


Kitchen/Galley??? No running water??? (Just Kidding)



Gunner's position


View down the Commander's Hatch

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We had a conversation a while back about a bombed out factory that showed road wheels were a lighter color primer than red oxide. Possibly the green color used on new tank cannon barrels.

Does anyone remember that thread?

And so the tank was restored to operational condition... But somehow nobody on the restoration team knew about standard track-orientation on Pz. III and IV... The tracks have been put on "backwards". Most of us Pz. III/IV modelers wouldn't do that!

Bob

I always use Humbrol No. 70 (brick red) but then I'm a bit old school! I can see from these photos that German primer is actually a lot lighter and more orange.

Over several years, I have seen perhaps hundreds of fair to good color pictures that show examples of the "Rotoxid" primer generally used by the Germans on armor and much of heavy machinery through to the end of WWII.

The "lesson" I've taken home from the mental composite of these many photos is that there was no more of an absolute common color standard "realized" for that primer than there was for Dunkelgelb. Batches and manufacturers likely differed in hue, and the appearance of samples photographed under various lighting conditions reflect the spectral qualities of the available light, age and type of film used, etc. etc. etc. Even, as should be evident to viewers here, the several examples of "rotoxid" in the posted photos exhibit variation in color. Roll all this posted variation together with the fact that the majority of male humans exhibit some amount of "red spectrum color-blindness", so what one of us guys sees may be some - maybe a LOT - different from what someone else sees. Fighting about which is "right" seems pretty trivial - even pointless - to me.

So, bottom line: "What IS the "correct" color of German WWII "Rotoxid" primer? There is NO one correct answer. I don't sweat this nebulosity... I use some red which looks reasonably like some examples that I have on my computer. I'm about to start a Bergepanther w/ interior build... Likely I'll actually use a couple different red shades to capture some possible variation among parts and panels - much like seen in the posted Pz. III pics in this thread. And if some model "experten" or show judge comes up and tries to tell me that my color choice is "wrong" or "off"... I'll be exceedingly polite and firmly tell that worthy to "shove off"!