I have a spare Tamiya M113 kit, their first version, that I’d like to convert to a 1980s German Army version WITH the MG1 mount and smoke grenade launchers... Is there a conversion kit out their to do this?

I know that the German Army used the standard US version with the .50 cal MG back in the 60s and 70s, but while station in Germany, back in the early 80s, I only saw German M113s with the MG1 machine gun.

Thanks for looking!!

Check out the various sets from MR Modellbau :

https://www.mrmodellbau.com/1-35-MR-Models/Komplettmodelle-Umbausaetze/Bundeswehr:::1_2_54.html#filterBar

(I guess you mean MG3, not MG1)

M113A2G on Primeportal (command version)

H.P.

you'll also have to switch the track to deihl track.

Hi,

AFV Club do a set of Diehl tracks for the M113.

Regards jason

Tankograd has several books on these:
https://www.tankograd.com/cms/website.php?id=/en/index/publikationen/militaerfarhzeug_spezial.htm

I don't think I've seen a Bundeswehr M113 with .50 cal but there was an earlier MG3 mount on the standard pintle.

Most of the early ones had a different light guard which kept the trim vane from laying flat against the hull.

Not all had Diehl tracks
https://fotos.pzgrendiv6.de/picture.php?/7531/category/album-1980
https://fotos.pzgrendiv6.de/picture.php?/6874/category/album-1967-ronald-pirch-4-kp
https://fotos.pzgrendiv6.de/picture.php?/6828/category/album-1967-ronald-pirch-4-kp

I think it is the smoke grenade launcher mount that keeps the trim vane from lying flat. More so than the brush guards for the headlights.

Hi!
M113G of the Cold war period did not use the Diehl track. Instead, a track which is represented in AFV 35S10 or 35066 was commonly used. The Diehl track came later, from my memory one of the first types to use it was the M113 driver trainer vehicle around 2000.

Andreas

Thanks for the replies!! is there a source for the front smoke grenade launchers As shown in those photos? Also, does anybody have a close up photo of the pedestal mounting the MG3? Also, showing where and how the 7.62mm ammo can would be connected?

Would a full stock MG3 be appropriate in say the mid/late 1970s to the mid 1980s?

I’m sure, even with my entry level skills, I can make a pedestal to fit into the original .50 cal mount, that’s close enough for government work.

The plan is to mate this “German” M113 with a “German” M48A2.

I was with 3/68 Armor/8th Infantry from 1980 to 1983 and I’m now into Cold War armor especially the 1960s up into the 1980s... I served in both Gulf Wars, but the current modern armor haven’t struck me yet... I’m sure it will, in due time!!

MR Modellbau makes them.

https://www.mrmodellbau.com/1-35-MR-Models/Komplettmodelle-Umbausaetze/Bundeswehr/MR-35106-Bundeswehr-Zubehoer-Nr-1::106.html

MG3 mount :







H.P.

The first photo shows Diehl tracks?



Jim

Hi!

I must admit that when hearing "Diehl track" I thought of the newer 513B without considering that the 213B with the offset pads was also produced by Diehl. 213B is the choice for the late cold war period. Represented by AFV 35066 if you like rubber band, also available as working track.

Consider that the 3-tone-NATO camouflage started to appear after 1984. Before that, German army tanks were "gelboliv". They also had the lager crosses with white rims (light grey and smalle size came with 3-tone cam) and sometimes M113 had 3-digit tactical numbers at the rear of their sides.

Andreas