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New North Korean tank!
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Posted: Saturday, October 10, 2020 - 10:32 PM UTC
The North Koreans introduced a new tank at a parade this weekend. The article says it's the North Korean version of the Armata tank but yet there are crew members in the turret.

https://defence-blog.com/news/army/north-korea-creates-its-own-version-of-russian-armata-tank.html
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 12:26 AM UTC
Another view :



from this video (started at 1:53:00 )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8dZl9f3faY&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=NKNews

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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 02:00 AM UTC
Was rather hoping for a 1/35 kit of the Songun Ho. My K2 Black
Panthers need something to shoot at.
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 05:12 AM UTC
Stryker MGS lookalikes ?? (1:52)
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 06:38 AM UTC
Go here for a much better analysis and photos.

The whole parade video is also shown here...all two hours worth. (I didn't watch the video, so please don't ask me questions about it right now).

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/36999/kim-jong-un-just-showed-the-world-the-war-machine-he-built-while-feinting-diplomacy
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 08:24 AM UTC
I wonder if when the cork pops out of the cannon if the flag comes out and says "BANG"?

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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 11:08 AM UTC
Looks like it was built by same people who build all that fake Iranian stuff
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 01:49 PM UTC
How much sheet metal and plastic can you fit on a T72?
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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 04:53 PM UTC
WoW... ...I didn't know that Evergreen had opened a factory in North Korea,that's is truly a lot of Styrene!

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Posted: Sunday, October 11, 2020 - 07:24 PM UTC
Come on, people, don't be mean!
They really spent money like there's no tomorrow for those LED headlights! And it works, too, dazzling the enemy to not look at the frontline...
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 01:17 AM UTC
I'm not sure what the point of that TEL is. It would never get through a city, or forest, or pretty much anywhere else. The turning circle must be bigger than the Titanic's.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 03:20 AM UTC
I hate to be critical but their sheet steel vismod of a K1A1 isn't all that close. . .
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 03:42 AM UTC

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The whole parade video is also shown here...all two hours worth. ...


Everything's just turning the corner, circling the block, and passing by again! Old Soviet trick of multiplying the number of your tanks, etc.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 04:08 AM UTC

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The whole parade video is also shown here...all two hours worth. ...


Everything's just turning the corner, circling the block, and passing by again! Old Soviet trick of multiplying the number of your tanks, etc.



I read a book written by a German Pz-soldier who wrote that they used that trick in Italy when shipping tanks to North Africa from Italian ports. The parade kept going around the block to confuse observers (spies) about the actual number of tanks.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 04:10 AM UTC

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The whole parade video is also shown here...all two hours worth. ...


Everything's just turning the corner, circling the block, and passing by again! Old Soviet trick of multiplying the number of your tanks, etc.


Those 9 tanks are probably the only ones in the country that still run!
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 04:28 AM UTC

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Old Soviet trick of multiplying the number of your tanks, etc.


I wonder how often that ruse has been used over the millennia? In America's Civil War, Confederate Gen. John B. Magruder used it to put the scare into Maj. Gen. George B. McClellan (not that a spider couldn't scare off "Lil' Mac") in April 1862 at Yorktown.

I had to look that up as I thought it was Jackson who did that.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 09:31 AM UTC
The Italian use the same trick with the Nazi when they went to Italy before the war to check the airfields,they just move planes from a field to the other...
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 01:21 PM UTC
Haha https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/north-korea-unveils-all-new-main-battle-tank-what-to-expect-from-the-latest-korean-armour is over-estimating their buffoonery however. One can only wonder if this NK "Armata" can perform.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 02:26 PM UTC

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Haha https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/north-korea-unveils-all-new-main-battle-tank-what-to-expect-from-the-latest-korean-armour is over-estimating their buffoonery however. One can only wonder if this NK "Armata" can perform.



Did it breakdown like it's Soviet err Russian counterpart did?
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 02:43 PM UTC
I would love to walk by tapping on the hull and turret with a hammer. I wonder which sections sound like an empty 55 gallon drum.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 05:45 PM UTC
About the tank: it has nothing to do with the T-14 because it has a manned turret, this is clear.
On the other hand, my first impression was the resemblance with M1 Abrams, obvously armed with 125 mm gun. Then I saw the voids around the turret.
So, the turret looks angular and relatively small, with a spaced armour around that has openings for smoke mortars and few other things.
The hull has 7 road wheels for each side, so it is not a Songun with new turret, but something newer and more radical.
The gun sight is on the left side of the turret, so the gunner has to be on that side and the man on the right is the tank commander. This is the same configuration of T-72, T-80 and ZTZ 96 and 99, indicating a two-crewed turret with autoloader.
The missiles on a turret's side are an exclusive, but one could ask if the same weapons could more advantageosly installed on a separate light vehicle without overloading the tank commander.
I can't see machine guns on the tank, I wonder why.
There are two closed boxes on the front sides of the turret, they could hide (or only suggest) a IR jamming device as on T-90.
The hull has the exhaust port on the left side, suggesting commonalities with Soviet and Chinese tanks.
My impression is that the vehicle could have size and performances comparable to early ZTZ-99.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 07:48 PM UTC
Maybe this thread should be moved to the "what if ?" section

H.P.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 09:44 PM UTC
I detect a certain degree of scepticism on this thread!
Bonaparte84
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 09:47 PM UTC
How about a new category "Plastic Panzers", i.e. tanks that made it further than the drawing board, but no further than the local evergreen distributor...
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2020 - 11:33 PM UTC
Looks like they took a page out of Oddball's playbook: "This gun is an ordinary 76mm but we add this piece of pipe onto it, and the Krauts think, like, maybe it's a 90mm."

I wonder if their ammo makes pretty pictures?

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