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T-19 M3/105 MGC
Delta42
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Posted: Monday, April 26, 2004 - 12:47 AM UTC
There have been several posts about this vehicle lately on Armorama. I have the Hunnicutt book and several other Halftrack books, but none of them have really good pictures of the interior and the gun mount. Do any of you guys that are working on this vehicle have additional pictures that you can share, or tell me where to go to get good pictures.

Thanks for your help.

Dave
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Posted: Monday, April 26, 2004 - 07:44 AM UTC
Those posts Delta 42 refers to also mention a Warriors conversion. Is this an OOP kit?
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Posted: Monday, April 26, 2004 - 02:10 PM UTC
Dave:

Kencelot is working on this conversion for the "Incoming" campaign. I don't know how far along he is.

I'm still in the planning stages of a T30 75mm HMC. We're both using the pics and plans from the Hunnicutt Half-Track book, as well as a few other pics scrounged here and there.

There may be something else out there, but I think the Hunnicutt material is about as good as it's going to get. The only thing that may be more helpful is if you tracked down someone with photos and/or access to an actual T19. You might want to try searching vehicle restoration sites. Sorry I'm not much more help!
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Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 12:20 AM UTC
Hollowpoint,

I agree with you on the Hunnicutt book. For some reason, there does not seem to be any good pictures of the gun mount. There are several pictures that are taken from a distance but nothing really up close. I did find in a search that there is a T-19 on display at the 1st AD museum in germany. I sent them an email requesting assistance, but doubt if I will hear anything. However, hope springs eternal and all that stuff.

Dave
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Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 11:20 AM UTC
Dave:

I just pulled out Hunnicutt again and had another look because I was wonderng what you might be missing.

Have you ever built Italeri's M7 Priest kit? I ask because the T19 mount looks to be very, very similar. With the parts from an M7, I'd bet you could make a reasonable guess at the few bits that cannot be seen in the photos.

If you don't have a Priest kit, go to this page and check out the gun mount in an M7 -- compare them to your pics of the T19. Looks to me like the trail braces are shorter on the T19, but even their angles look close to the same as the M7 ... http://afvinteriors.hobbyvista.com/m7/m7a.html

You may also want to look for clues in the photos of the 75mm GMC halftrack here: http://afvinteriors.hobbyvista.com/m3gmc/m3gmc2.html
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Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 01:06 PM UTC
Bob,

I really appreciate your help. The area that I need better photos of is the actual mount under the gun. I can't tell if the mount is solid as the mount on the 75mm or is it a split platform. Also, it is hard to tell what the floor of the vehicle looks like under the mount. There must be some type of well for the shaft and transmission, but there again it is hard to tell what it looks like. With the use of a magnifying glass, I have been able to pick out some of the details, but not a whole lot. If none of my feeler emails get answered, then I will probably just go with a best guess. Wish there was one on display somewhere close to the Atlanta area, then I could just go take my own pictures.

Thanks again,

Dave
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Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 01:26 PM UTC
Like you guys, I have too few specific pictures of the mount in detail.
Bob was kind enough to share some of Hunnicutt's T19 pictures with me for my build.
With just these three pictures below you should be able to discern the mounts angles. The "trailing arms" of the mount are certainly shorter than the M7's and their angle is approximately at a 75 degree angle.
The floor where the mount is, is dropped about 6 inches from the rear and side sections.



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Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 08:56 PM UTC
Thanks Ken,

I have pondered over those same pictures many time and the ones in "Tanks Illustrated No 15; US Halftracks of World War Two." The confussing thing is that if you look at the first picture you provided, there appears to be no platform. The floor is level from the gun mount back. In the second photo, there is a platform which creates the lowered area around the gun mount. Also the gun mount platform seems to be supported by a single post or sheet of steel at the front. Wow, my kingdom for some good pictures of the mount! I'm still hoping to hear from some of the emails sent to museums. BTW, there is a semi good partial shot of the top of the mount on page 40 of the "Tanks" book ref. above. If you would like, I can try to scan it and post it here for you.

Dave
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Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 09:15 PM UTC

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If you would like, I can try to scan it and post it here for you.



I certainly would Dave! One can never have too many pics.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 - 11:01 PM UTC
I will do it tonight when I get home Ken.

Dave
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Posted: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 07:42 AM UTC
Dave, I forgot to mention in the last post about the floor.
Of all the pics I've seen of either the M3 75mm GMC or the T19, they all have the sunken floor area for the mount. That pic above is the first and only one I've seen that appears to not have the rear floor storage lockers installed... yet. It could be a pic of one in the process of being built/modified.
Another interesting feature is in the second picture. If you look closely at the right hand wall, you'll notice that it is sloped with two tie-downs.
I wonder if that wall is another storage locker and the tie-downs are handles... ??? Or maybe it's just an optical illusion?
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Posted: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 09:48 AM UTC
Ken,

I put the pictures in "My Photos" for you. I included a picture of the ammo carrier for the T-19. It looks like just an M3 that has been stripped and the rounds are just stacked on the floor. Would make an interesting dio with both vehicles.
I agree about the floor. Very confuseing. Still wish there were more pictures or the real thing I could see. I will be interested in seeing your completed model.

Dave
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Posted: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 - 02:04 PM UTC
Thanks for the pics Dave.
The Ammo Carrier is certainly a cool idea for a dio.
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