Here Sherman, Sherman, Sherman.
a little tank humor(very little)
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Sherman Freaks
Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 03:39 AM UTC
what does a 70 ton Kingtiger say?
Here Sherman, Sherman, Sherman.
a little tank humor(very little)
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Here Sherman, Sherman, Sherman.
a little tank humor(very little)
#:-)
#:-) 
Hollowpoint
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 03:58 AM UTC
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I picked up a VLS replacement resin turret for the Sherman with the applique armour and the long 75mm gun, kit # 317 off of EBay some time back
I'm not familiar with this particular kit, but in general, Verlinden turrets are not known for their accuracy. I don't know what the "long 75mm gun" may be. There was only one type of 75mm mounted in the Sherman, but with a few different mantlets. Does this kit have a narrow or wide mantlet? That may help me pin it down a bit. The 75mm turrets with applique armor were generally a stop-gap solution for late-early M4s and a few others. The Applique had to be added because a new sighting mechanism was too wide. Later 75mm turrets had a bulge on the side to make room for the sight.
In short, your turret should go well on Tamiya's M4 or on a DML M4A4. If you have an aftermarket hull, it would also go on an early (small, narrow driver/co-driver hatches) M4A1, early M4A2, or early composite M4.
Hollowpoint
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:06 AM UTC
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Did anyone get that Verlinden half submerged Sherman? If so, what do you think?
DJ, I think Verlinden is jerking us around.
For the same money, I can get a whole kit in injection molded plastic, cut the hull myself (which I did years ago for a submerged Sherman dio), and have the suspension and all the other goodies left over.
In fairness to Verlinden, I have to say that I have the Sherman interior kit is very nice and really adds to the Tamiya M4 kit. And if you can find the 75mm ammo "Value Pack" you've found a real deal. But I don't care for any of Verlinden's turret or hull kits -- you can find much more accurate and workable turrets and hulls from other AM companies.
Hollowpoint
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:12 AM UTC
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what does a 70 ton Kingtiger say?
Here Sherman, Sherman, Sherman.
a little tank humor(very little)
Hey Pak40:
Let's not start a flame war here. How about you stay in your lane and I'll stay in mine? I think Jim and the others on this forum would appreciate that.
Hollowpoint
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:28 AM UTC
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RHPS are pricey and not easy to find.
At least on this side of the pond.
They run about $12-15 US here in midwest America. Are there any deals in Portugal -- DML? Tamiya? Italeri? If so, perhaps it would be worthwhile to work a trade.
As you may have guessed, I mostly build Allied WWII stuff. I personally like RHPS tracks and want to use more of them. Compared to Fruil or Model Kasten, they're almost free. Sure they need a bit of clean-up and filling, but almost all plastic individual link tracks do. What I like best about them is that they can be assembled without glue. "Snap-tite" for big kids! I first used them on my Academy M12 and loved them (too bad I botched the paint on the rest of the kit -- but the tracks look fabulous!).
TUGA
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:42 AM UTC
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.....
They run about $12-15 US here in midwest America. Are there any deals in Portugal -- DML? Tamiya? Italeri? If so, perhaps it would be worthwhile to work a trade.
..........
I can get DML. ITALERI and TAMIYA kits without great problems but, aftermarket items only by mail order and if from outside EU it will be too expensive because we have to pay custom dues (19% at least).
sgtreef
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 04:51 AM UTC
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what does a 70 ton Kingtiger say?
Here Sherman, Sherman, Sherman.
a little tank humor(very little)
#:-)
Good one but they can't really appreciate the size of it to they see one up close.
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mrigby/Dcp_1451.jpg
Bet that sucker would blow a hole right thru a Sherman! Applied armor, wood addons ,jumbo's what ever!!
Oh God this one says it all
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mrigby/Dcp_1453.jpg
Latter it's brother in law's birthday
Party Time
TreadHead
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 06:07 AM UTC
Hollow,
Thx for the reply. Sorry for the 'long 75mm gun' reference, but I guess I'm just used to the stubby barreled Sherman's (or what little I've paid attention to). It's probably the standard length barrel.
Yes, the 'applique armour' is entirely on the right-hand side of the turret. I pulled out the only spare Sherman kit I have available (the new(?) Italeri PTO Sherman) and compared the turrets, and yes, if you want to split hairs the VLS turret is a 'red' hair smaller than the Italeri turret. Although, the VLS turret would work just fine. ( I would probably have to re-work the supplied Italeri lower turret and mount the VLS turret to it).
Thanks for your 'best choice' suggestions!
Tread.
Thx for the reply. Sorry for the 'long 75mm gun' reference, but I guess I'm just used to the stubby barreled Sherman's (or what little I've paid attention to). It's probably the standard length barrel.
Yes, the 'applique armour' is entirely on the right-hand side of the turret. I pulled out the only spare Sherman kit I have available (the new(?) Italeri PTO Sherman) and compared the turrets, and yes, if you want to split hairs the VLS turret is a 'red' hair smaller than the Italeri turret. Although, the VLS turret would work just fine. ( I would probably have to re-work the supplied Italeri lower turret and mount the VLS turret to it).
Thanks for your 'best choice' suggestions!
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 06:17 AM UTC
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what does a 70 ton Kingtiger say?
Here Sherman, Sherman, Sherman.
a little tank humor(very little)
#:-)
Hey Pak 40:
..."You a 'funny' man..."
But you should know better than to bad mouth the Sherman around these parts there cowboy! #:-) That'd be like walkin' into an Irish pub and yellin' out "yer all a bunch o' M*#k's.....well, you get the idea. 
Tread.
P.S. For the record, I would NOT like to be trundling down a burned-out city street, in say...Normandy, turn a tight corner in my Sherman and come face to face with a KingTiger!!!....Where as, the reverse......well, once again, you get the idea.
TreadHead
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 06:22 AM UTC
Shoot!.....should have kept my mouth shut. I guess I occassionally have one beer too many and just blurt stuff out. I'm, for sure, gonna get my butt kicked by those 'Shermanaholics'....I just know it. 
Tread.
Love you guys.....please observe the 'three-kick' rule when beating up old foggies.
Tread.
Love you guys.....please observe the 'three-kick' rule when beating up old foggies.
Sabot
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 07:24 AM UTC
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Here FAMO, FAMO, FAMO...what does a 70 ton Kingtiger say?
Abysmal operational record, poor cross-country performance...
Kencelot
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 09:09 AM UTC
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Here FAMO, FAMO, FAMO...
Hehehe...
Good answer! :-) 
TreadHead
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:47 AM UTC
LOLLOLLOL....... :-) :-) :-) Great Answer!!
Tread.
....see Pak, told ya about these Shermanaholics! #:-)
Tread.
....see Pak, told ya about these Shermanaholics! #:-)
TreadHead
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 11:55 AM UTC
In fact, (and I'm quite sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong ) didn't one of, if not the first contingent of King Tigers deployed suffer over 50% casualties before they even fired a shot?
Tread.
Come on guys, I'm trying to make amends here.
) didn't one of, if not the first contingent of King Tigers deployed suffer over 50% casualties before they even fired a shot?Tread.
Come on guys, I'm trying to make amends here.
Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 12:00 PM UTC
sorry, i didn't mean to insult anyone or make anyone angry, i just thought that model builders had a sense of humor and didn't take themselves too seriously. i have a M4 that i am going to build soon and just feel that modeling is just a hobby. my apologies to everyone. chris
Sabot
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Posted: Saturday, July 13, 2002 - 10:12 PM UTC
I wasn't insulted in the least bit. I think the German heavies are neat and have been working on an old Tamiya Hunting Tiger and just bought the DML Maus with my $20 UOTM award. We were just lucky they didn't work like in the video games. They would have been serious butt kickers.
Hollowpoint
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Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:19 AM UTC
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Yes, the 'applique armour' is entirely on the right-hand side of the turret. I pulled out the only spare Sherman kit I have available (the new(?) Italeri PTO Sherman) and compared the turrets, and yes, if you want to split hairs the VLS turret is a 'red' hair smaller than the Italeri turret. Although, the VLS turret would work just fine. ( I would probably have to re-work the supplied Italeri lower turret and mount the VLS turret to it).
Tread --
Sounds like a plan, but that Italeri kit has the wrong hull for that turret. The Italeri hull is a 47degree big hatch -- so it would have to have a high bustle turret. That VLS turret with the applique should be a low bustle and needs to go on an early small hatch hull. I've learned to "never say never" when it comes to Shermans, but I seriously doubt that the turret you have ever appeared on a late hull. Of course, if you just want to build it and toss it on a shelf, no biggie. It's your model.
210cav
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Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 10:35 PM UTC
Has anyone built the Sherman POA/CWS? I have it on the shelf and it certainly looks like a unique model. Is it a faithful replication of the flame thrower Sherman?
thanks
DJ
thanks
DJ
Doc
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Posted: Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 11:06 PM UTC
210Cav,
I have this kit also. The old Italeri molded parts ( I can hear the hearts sinking) included with this kit leave alot to be desired. But the new DML molds are very good. So, be prepared for a bumpy ride. I have an old MMIR that has an article on this kit. Overall, the builder enjoyed the kit, but there are some issues you have to be aware of. The old Italeri molds aren't that accurate, and as a bonus the directions sometimes are misleading and sometimes flat out wrong. If you want, you can contact me and I can go over the errors and corrections needed in detail.
0352
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91B
PS. This Sherman was completed too late to see action in WWII, but it did serve with the USMC (Semper Fi!) in Korea. I plan on either doing some surgery on the mantlet, or using an aftermarket one I have to make this kit into the 105 HVSS version. This version did see combat in WWII on Okinawa.
I have this kit also. The old Italeri molded parts ( I can hear the hearts sinking) included with this kit leave alot to be desired. But the new DML molds are very good. So, be prepared for a bumpy ride. I have an old MMIR that has an article on this kit. Overall, the builder enjoyed the kit, but there are some issues you have to be aware of. The old Italeri molds aren't that accurate, and as a bonus the directions sometimes are misleading and sometimes flat out wrong. If you want, you can contact me and I can go over the errors and corrections needed in detail.
0352
19K
91B
PS. This Sherman was completed too late to see action in WWII, but it did serve with the USMC (Semper Fi!) in Korea. I plan on either doing some surgery on the mantlet, or using an aftermarket one I have to make this kit into the 105 HVSS version. This version did see combat in WWII on Okinawa.
TreadHead
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Posted: Monday, July 15, 2002 - 08:26 AM UTC
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Quoted TextYes, the 'applique armour' is entirely on the right-hand side of the turret. I pulled out the only spare Sherman kit I have available (the new(?) Italeri PTO Sherman) and compared the turrets, and yes, if you want to split hairs the VLS turret is a 'red' hair smaller than the Italeri turret. Although, the VLS turret would work just fine. ( I would probably have to re-work the supplied Italeri lower turret and mount the VLS turret to it).
Tread --
Sounds like a plan, but that Italeri kit has the wrong hull for that turret. The Italeri hull is a 47degree big hatch -- so it would have to have a high bustle turret. That VLS turret with the applique should be a low bustle and needs to go on an early small hatch hull. I've learned to "never say never" when it comes to Shermans, but I seriously doubt that the turret you have ever appeared on a late hull. Of course, if you just want to build it and toss it on a shelf, no biggie. It's your model.
Hollow,
Many thx for your input. In my attempt at being more 'Sherman-friendly', I am making a concerted effort at actually retaining as much of this info as I can.
For the record tho, I wasn't planning on mating the VLS turret with the new Italeri PTO Sherman. I was just trying to check the 'size' of the turret as compared to a current model kit. since there was some voiced concern as to the accuracy of it's sizing.
You seem to be a pretty good source of accurate information on Shermans, as well as some other's here on Armorama, so I will appreciate your continued participation.
Thx,
Tread. :-)
sgtreef
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Posted: Monday, July 15, 2002 - 07:10 PM UTC
Actually after getting the Squardon Shermans in action that Tamiya Jumbos turret is off quite a bit most likley will have to get Turret and Front trans cover as that is off also. But AFV club tracks will do it just right.
Folgore
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Posted: Monday, July 15, 2002 - 10:40 PM UTC
In the recent issue of Military Modelling Magazine, there is an article on Jumbo Shermans. Lots of pics there that might help you. I suppose I could e-mail you some if you wanted. The article does state that the Tamiya turret is terribly undersized as well as the Tank Workshop turret, which is based on the Tamiya one, but with some of the angles corrected. Hope that helps.
Nic
Nic
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:26 AM UTC
Nic--can you PM me the material you have on the Jumbo. Doc sent me some invaluable data which I would love to supplement with anything you have...
thanks
DJ
thanks
DJ
sgtreef
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Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 08:34 AM UTC
Here is one for you DJ. I know missing links but what the heck it's a free world
http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/usa/szcroc.htm
http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/usa/szcroc.htm
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