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base coat for OIF sand colored vehicles
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 05:59 AM UTC
What s the best base coat to add to an AFV that will be painted in desert ?
whiite ?
or black ?

And for the wash is better for Sand colored AFvs to wash them with burnt sienna or black?

Is it recommended too to wash the AFv before the airbrush with soap ?
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 06:13 AM UTC
Heu Euro-Pro,
I like to base coat my vehicle either a dark brown or black. As foar as the wash is concerned, I like to use PollyScale Dirt or Mud for my wash, but I here a lot of other guys use Burnt Sienna for their wash.
As far as washing the kit with soap before airbrushing, I never do. Some guys do just to remove all that mold release stuff all over the plastic.
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 08:48 AM UTC
Hi, when painting something in a desert color I like to use a dark red brown as a base coat. Almost like the WW2 German camo color but a little darker. For the wash I would use the burnt sienna or a raw umber. I never use soap and water to wash a model before painting. If I do anything I'll wipe it off with a piece of old cotton t-shirt material moistened with rubbing alcohol.

Mike
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 09:44 AM UTC

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dark red brown as a base coat



like Tamya s hull red or red brown ? Or Model master wood?

I used to wash the desert models with thinner mixed with black oil.
All went too dark even with very less amount of black oil wash. ! NOw I have got to re airbrush again those models who were badly washed . I think the black oild color is the problem therefor I will try white or redbrown or black as base coatt, airbrush with Model master Army marines color , aply a tamya clear coat and then wash with burnt sienna ,

The pigments shall they be applied after the washing at the end `?



thanks a lot
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 02:44 PM UTC
I won't claim to be religious about washing parts before I start working with them, but it is a noticable improvement in the finish (airbrushing) when I've cleaned the plastic ahead of time. And not just the once-- even after you get the release agent off of the plastic, you'll still have built up a fair amount of skin oils while working on the kit.

I keep a bottle of anti-bacterial Palmolive dish soap on the counter over the kitchen sink, and an old toothbrush whose bristles are still firm, but not too stiff. Run some warm waters, put a little soap into the bristles, and lightly scrub the sprues, one after another. Set them out to dry, and they'll be ready to use in not more than an hour in most cases.

Randy
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Posted: Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 03:02 PM UTC

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like Tamya s hull red or red brown ?


I have used the hull red XF-9, and also some Humbrol colors which I mixed. Unfortunately I can't remember the Humbrol numbers, I have moved away from spraying enamels mostly. Pigments or pastels I apply after the wash(s).

Cheers,
Mike
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Posted: Friday, May 07, 2004 - 12:42 AM UTC

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And for the wash is better for Sand colored AFvs to wash them with burnt sienna or black?



When I painted my Challenger 1 from Desert Storm, I did my undercoat with Tamiya Red Brown and oversprayed with the Testors British Sand Yellow color they use. For a wash I used a mixture of Sepia and Burnt Seinna oils I believe which gave me this grey-brown wash color. I'm not 100% on the oil colors, but I remember using one of Steve Zalgoa's articles for the oil mixture for the wash.

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