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pcmodeler
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 12:48 PM UTC
I'm pushing to get my M1A2 done in time for the campaign tomorrow. As you can see, I still have a few stowage items to paint. In fact, I'm going to come up short on stowage. I want to hang a number of items around the stowage bins, but I ran out of RTV rubber and am unable too cast up the remaining stowage items. The stowage on top is a combination of Tamiya and homemade items
Oh yeah, this is the Trumpeter kit.
Oh yeah, this is the Trumpeter kit.
cardinal
Joined: October 05, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 01:29 PM UTC
Sweet build. I particularly like the weathering on it. I think you have enough stowage items already.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 01:43 PM UTC
Looks good, however, it is an M1A2, not an M1A1. A couple of things to correct. The C-Ration box in rear bustle rack is incorrect. It should be an MRE box, they are quite different. Also, .50 cal blank adapter should be gunmetal or black, but not sand. Blitz style fuel cans gotta go, they are not used anymore. Modern fuel cans are plastic, simmilar to water cans, but with a three bar handle. Rear mounted APU is not used on M1A2, they either have a bustle rack mounted unit, or new M1A2 SEP have an internal mounted APU in the rear deck area, left side. Crosswind sensor, post in middle of turret rear shoud be the same color as the hull. Sprocket guards, circular items with oblong holes that go on outer part of sprocket, need to go too. They were used on early M1 and M1IP tanks to help keep the track from coming off the sprocket. The problem was corrected on A1 models with new track and some other adjustments. Make the above corrections and it can be a great model. The weathering is really awesome.
pcmodeler
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 02:18 PM UTC
Thanks for the info. I kind of figured the sprocket guards weren't used anymore, but I was just looking to throw stuff on. I've seen some of the black plastic containers (Plus Models has a nice set) but I haven't picked them up yet. Kind of had to use what I had, which is why I have the C-ration package in back. I wasn't sure about the power unit, but it does also have the external power unit mounted in the rear rack as well. I painted the sensor black mostly because I came across of photo that had it painted black as well. Wish I had an Igloo cooler to go on the back to keep the Miller Light cold?
Thanks for the info. Wish I would have known some of that stuff before I started. To be honest, some of the stowage is WWII era stuff as well.
Thanks for the info. Wish I would have known some of that stuff before I started. To be honest, some of the stowage is WWII era stuff as well.
Jurgen
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 06:47 PM UTC
Nice one! I like the chipped paint, very realistic...
(I'll go back to mine to do that....
)
(I'll go back to mine to do that....
) 
sgtsauer
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Posted: Thursday, May 13, 2004 - 10:47 PM UTC
Don't sweat the fuel cans. I've been Iraq for over a year now and I have seen metal fuel cans several times. I saw them stateside before deployment also. The plastic ones are current issue though and the metal ones are definitely becoming scarce.
pcmodeler
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 12:40 AM UTC
I also plan on adding a figure in the open turret. I was just going to use the figure that came with the kit, but it's pretty bad as far as detail goes (very soft molding in many parts. Unfortuanately, I don't have much for modern figures and I hate to spend money on a decent resin figure. I have to go to the hobby shop tomorrow anyway, so I may have to see what DML has for modern tank figures.
I might also go back and add some ID plates on the front turret.
I might also go back and add some ID plates on the front turret.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 03:30 AM UTC
sgtsauer,
I would agree with you on the fuel cans if they were more modern style, however, if you look at the cans on the tank, they are early WWII style with offset filler cap. They were called Blitz cans and coppied from German jerry cans, hence the nickname "Jerry Can", Jerry was a nickname for German soldiers.
I saw many metal fuel cans and we had some in my unit in Iraq too. They are still out there.
pcmodeler,
Dragon has a great set of modern tankers. Here they are:
They will work OOTB for a tank that is training with MILES gear as you are building, or you can change out the torsos with the ones from Dragon's Modern Marines to have Interceptor body armor for combat ops in Iraq.
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Don't sweat the fuel cans. I've been Iraq for over a year now and I have seen metal fuel cans several times. I saw them stateside before deployment also.
I would agree with you on the fuel cans if they were more modern style, however, if you look at the cans on the tank, they are early WWII style with offset filler cap. They were called Blitz cans and coppied from German jerry cans, hence the nickname "Jerry Can", Jerry was a nickname for German soldiers.
I saw many metal fuel cans and we had some in my unit in Iraq too. They are still out there.
pcmodeler,
Dragon has a great set of modern tankers. Here they are:
They will work OOTB for a tank that is training with MILES gear as you are building, or you can change out the torsos with the ones from Dragon's Modern Marines to have Interceptor body armor for combat ops in Iraq.
WeWillHold
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 03:54 AM UTC
The overall weathering is impressive. Would you mind sharing how you finished your model, ie paint used, weathering techniques used, etc.?
I was also curious, (if this one is for the Abram's Campaign), who was honored with their name appearing on this fine looking vehicle?
Good looking model.
Thanks
Steve
I was also curious, (if this one is for the Abram's Campaign), who was honored with their name appearing on this fine looking vehicle?
Good looking model.
Thanks
Steve
pcmodeler
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 05:38 AM UTC
Pre-shaded on the panel lines with a Tamiya dark brown. This was followed by Model Master Gulf War sand thinned slightly more as to not cover up the pre-shading. A wash of Burnt Umber oils was applied. I then dry brushed with Polly Scale Soviet Sand. Decals were applied. I then did loacalized sprayings of Tamiya Buff to further accentuate the dusty pattern. Chips were created with a 50/50 mix of white/black oil paint thinned down.
SEDimmick
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 06:16 AM UTC
I like your weathering, but feel that the chipping is bit out of scale and too "big" for the model and Doesn't blend with the rest of the model. Maybe if you could fade them in with the color on the vehicle it wouldn't be as pronounced
pcmodeler
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 07:28 AM UTC
This is the set I want to get, but I noticed this also contains the same Jerry cans that I used. Is this set incorrect?
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 08:27 AM UTC
Stowage or not I think your M1A? looks great. Actually if you add too much equipment that is not weathered to match it will really look like you just crammed a bucn of crap on there instead of storing it. TO be honest if you don't have the time to do it right I'd leave it off and go more bare.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 08:54 AM UTC
pcmodeler,
not sure how the set is billed, but it contains water and fuel cans from all eras and different countries. The black water can wuth the stepped square inset is from Israel, the other black cans look to be US modern water jugs, there are your early WWII blitz cans, late WWII to 80's (some still hanging around) US metal fuel can, first two sand water jugs are British, one on its side and in back are modern US water cans. I'm not sure what the tall cylinders are or the clear squares in lower left. You could use some of this set. If you are looking for a set of modern US gear, try the new Tamiya Modern Accessory set:
It has all you need including water cans, bags, CIP panels, and MRE boxes.
not sure how the set is billed, but it contains water and fuel cans from all eras and different countries. The black water can wuth the stepped square inset is from Israel, the other black cans look to be US modern water jugs, there are your early WWII blitz cans, late WWII to 80's (some still hanging around) US metal fuel can, first two sand water jugs are British, one on its side and in back are modern US water cans. I'm not sure what the tall cylinders are or the clear squares in lower left. You could use some of this set. If you are looking for a set of modern US gear, try the new Tamiya Modern Accessory set:
It has all you need including water cans, bags, CIP panels, and MRE boxes.
pcmodeler
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 09:38 AM UTC
It's billed as being modern containers, but from your description, it sounds like a hodge podge of different countries and era's. I'll have to look for the Tamiya set tomorrow.
Scunge
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 05:10 PM UTC
my favorite part is the large clearly marked can of alcohol :-)
Alpenflage
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 11:39 PM UTC
Fantastic work on your M1A2 !! Personally, I feel that your outstanding work out-weighs any inaccuracies with the stowage. There are times when armor modelling should be viewed from an artistic perspective, and not precise historical correctness.
Your M1A2 came out really well, and depicts a vehicle from OIF. The cluttered look of the stowage gives your tank a "lived in" look. Remember: Combat is controlled chaos.
Awesome job !!
Cheers !!
Alpen
Your M1A2 came out really well, and depicts a vehicle from OIF. The cluttered look of the stowage gives your tank a "lived in" look. Remember: Combat is controlled chaos.
Awesome job !!
Cheers !!
Alpen
shonen_red
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Posted: Friday, May 14, 2004 - 11:44 PM UTC
Sexy little beast I must say!!!
Euro_Pro_USA
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Posted: Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 04:05 AM UTC
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A wash of Burnt Umber oils was applied
First of all great job !! Your are a step forward to me as you really got the excelltent and perfect tone of the color for OIF APC and tanks .
I airbrushed some OIF stuff APC and tanks with MM army Marines and Tamya sand , and didn t got the result I wished to get, The black oil still always too dark and the burnt sienna wash looked not so well too redish on sand color.
So my question is when you applied your Burnt umber wash on your MM base color didn t you add a clear coat tamya on the tank before the wash ? because I only experienced holly mess when I did the wash immediatly on the MM color which got destroyed by the thinner / terpuntine, Or do you have a cleaning agent that is not so aggressive?
For my part I will will airbrush 70 % of my OIF vehicles in NAto tone which aren t a big deal concerning wash and weathering .
But really I never got so much into trouble wth sand colored vehicles especially by using the first time emanel colors like the MM Army marines since that seems to be the best color for oif sutff. Damn there must be some cleaning agent that does not attack emanel colors while doing the washing.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 04:42 AM UTC
Alpenflage,
The vehicle does not represent an OIF vehicle. It is wearing Miles gear, which is a laser tag type system used for training with other friendly troops playing enemy forces. I also disagree on your stowage suggestions. If a modern tank has stowage from WWII and it is glaringly obvious, like the fuel cans, it detracts from the whole model. In my opinion. Why not make it historically accurate, especially with all the accssory kits out there that are not that pricey. Don't get me wrong, I am not a rivet counter, but if it doesn't look right, I will point it out.
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Your M1A2 came out really well, and depicts a vehicle from OIF. The cluttered look of the stowage gives your tank a "lived in" look. Remember: Combat is controlled chaos.
The vehicle does not represent an OIF vehicle. It is wearing Miles gear, which is a laser tag type system used for training with other friendly troops playing enemy forces. I also disagree on your stowage suggestions. If a modern tank has stowage from WWII and it is glaringly obvious, like the fuel cans, it detracts from the whole model. In my opinion. Why not make it historically accurate, especially with all the accssory kits out there that are not that pricey. Don't get me wrong, I am not a rivet counter, but if it doesn't look right, I will point it out.
pcmodeler
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Posted: Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 06:54 AM UTC
Yeah, I guess I should have pointed out that I did apply an airbrushed coat of future prior to the wash and the decals. I then applied a flat coat after the wash and prior to the drybrushing, as drybrushing doesn't really work very well on a gloss surface.
I did manage to pick up the Tamiya modern equipment set today. I may try to replace some items, as the were pretty much glued in already. As for some of the other inaccuracies, the kit was built out of box and given some of it's shortcomings, I didn't really want to go out and invest a lot of money and time to getting aftermarket parts or scratchbuilding. Aside from the stowage, which didn't even exist in the kit, everything else was built as per the instructions. If I were to do another one, it would be the new (ie. revised) Tamiya kit.
I did manage to pick up the Tamiya modern equipment set today. I may try to replace some items, as the were pretty much glued in already. As for some of the other inaccuracies, the kit was built out of box and given some of it's shortcomings, I didn't really want to go out and invest a lot of money and time to getting aftermarket parts or scratchbuilding. Aside from the stowage, which didn't even exist in the kit, everything else was built as per the instructions. If I were to do another one, it would be the new (ie. revised) Tamiya kit.
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Quoted TextA wash of Burnt Umber oils was applied
First of all great job !! Your are a step forward to me as you really got the excelltent and perfect tone of the color for OIF APC and tanks .
I airbrushed some OIF stuff APC and tanks with MM army Marines and Tamya sand , and didn t got the result I wished to get, The black oil still always too dark and the burnt sienna wash looked not so well too redish on sand color.
So my question is when you applied your Burnt umber wash on your MM base color didn t you add a clear coat tamya on the tank before the wash ? because I only experienced holly mess when I did the wash immediatly on the MM color which got destroyed by the thinner / terpuntine, Or do you have a cleaning agent that is not so aggressive?
For my part I will will airbrush 70 % of my OIF vehicles in NAto tone which aren t a big deal concerning wash and weathering .
But really I never got so much into trouble wth sand colored vehicles especially by using the first time emanel colors like the MM Army marines since that seems to be the best color for oif sutff. Damn there must be some cleaning agent that does not attack emanel colors while doing the washing.
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